The Return (Spoiler Warning)

[MajorMarvel]

Its Mar-Vell. He's back. There was a Wrinkle in time or somthing that caused him from the past to be thrust into the present(This is him RIGHT before he fought Nitro and got Cancer)
He is told of what will happen, and ends up being asked to stay in the Negative Zone by Sentry so that he may be the Warden of the Prison. In the end, he ends up brooding about his demise. knowing that its Inevitable and he'll end up back in the past and will die, So after much inner thought and struggle, he realizes that he was given a Second Chance. So he puts on the Quantom Bands, and makes his way to his inevitable appearance in Civil War 7, with the Narative "Youre the first person ever to get a second chance to make a first impression", (Not sure what that means.. I'll read it again)followed by a "Too Be COntinued in CAPTAIN MARVEL #1!"
It was good. Light on action, if any. I'm a Smidgen skeptical about his return. He's a good character yes, but his method of return....its better than Jason Todds reason(Considering the character), but I will embrace it more of the "Wrinkle in time" has other effects too and they explain it well. So Lets see

[thatsmystapler]

This doesn't thrill me just for the fact that his death was so awesome. The Death of Captain Mar-vell was one of the best stories I ever read. It is what taught me that comics could touch a person. I feel bringing him back kind of negates the impact of that story.

[Solario]

I assume we're talking about Mar-Vell and not Genis?

[MajorMarvel]

yes. Mar-Vell. if I had a scanner I'd show you

[Nerfed]

I assume we're talking about Mar-Vell and not Genis?
Yeah, Genis never got cancer to the best of my knowledge... though the braintrust at Marvel Comics responsible for the continual rape of my childhood heroes deserves to get a buttload of cancer.




Bastards.

[Seadevil]

I have mixed feelings.

On one hand, the explination is kind of lame ("Just... Seriously. Time Travel. Go with it!") and it cheapens The Death of Captain Marvel. It almost seems like they did it JUST to do it.

On the other hand, Captain Marvel has always been a property that interested me but frankly... Genis sucked. He had THREE chances to get over with fans and it just didn't work. He (Mar-Vell) actually seems to be able to go toe-to-toe with the Sentry, who is basically friggin' God, so it's kind of cool to have a balance of sorts for that kind of stupid level of power.

I'll give the series a shot, but i'm kind of skeptical.

[Gaia]

I'll be looking into this series with a lot of skepticism. I do not feel its right for them to bring the character back in regular Marvel continuity. "The Death of Captain Marvel" is one of the most original endings for a character in comics history along with the inital death of Bucky (I did like how Brubaker brought him back though. Quite well done). The whole time travel thing I agree cheapens his original story.

If they want to bring in a Captain Marvel character they should put Genis back together, make him keep the name, and make his attitude grow up. The main problem with that character was he had no direction as to where he was going or what he was doing. The whole thing with the Baron and the moonstones was ridiculous, a waste of a character that had potential. Reaching further back the ending of the previous series was just plain dumb. It had been okay for bit in showing what would happen with overwhelming power that you couldn't turn off (yes I liked the madness plot). The showing he was trying to stablize himself. The whole thing in the Thunderbolts was stupid.

On the otherhand what about Mar-vell's kid who's running around with the Young Avengers. Why not give him a chance at the name? Should be interesting if they ever meet each other.

[Nerfed]

He (Mar-Vell) actually seems to be able to go toe-to-toe with the Sentry, who is basically friggin' God, so it's kind of cool to have a balance of sorts for that kind of stupid level of power.
REALLY?! O_o

Well then, I guess that answers the question of who would win between Sentry and Thor!! I mean, if Mar-vell can hold his own, Sentry wouldn't stand a chance against the Thunder God.

[Seadevil]

REALLY?! O_o

I'm assuming so. Sentry says Mar-Vell would be the only one who could stop him if he snapped (In so many words).

[coldcut]

So is there some sort of bet going on with the Marvel writers right now?

"Bet ya 50 bucks you can't bring back Bucky."
"Ha, way too easy, I got 50 that says you can't bring back Uncle Ben."
"Captain Mar-vel, bitches!"
"$200-bring back Hitler, Hirohito and Mussolini and install them as US governors."
"Bet you can't bring back Jesus in a Wolverine book."
"Oh yeah? Just wait for the new Wolverine origin story...."

[Randomus]

The Return was the dumbest thing I've read outside of Spawn comics.

I was hoping it would be Quasar, but Marvel hates me almost as much as the fans hate poor Wendell.

[Solario]

"Oh yeah? Just wait for the new Wolverine origin story...."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/KellyGreen/ghostridermoses.jpg

(By Kelly Tindall.)

And I have to admit this sounds painfully bad.

[MajorMarvel]

you know what was good though? That Wolverine number 50 by Loeb. Had a bonus story that had me cracking up cause you never read a comedy story staring Wolverine. Reminded me of Deadpool or Shehulk Kinda.

[Nerfed]

Seems like the only good things coming from Marvel these days involve Deadpool and Squirrel Girl... maybe they should give up on telling their crap stories and give us humor.

[Seadevil]

Seems like the only good things coming from Marvel these days involve Deadpool and Squirrel Girl... maybe they should give up on telling their crap stories and give us humor.


Heyheyhey! Exiles is good too!


Well, was... Claremont just started, but the jury's still out on him as he's only done one issue so far.

[Nerfed]

Is Exiles intentionally funny?


If not, I'll pass.

[Seadevil]

Is Exiles intentionally funny?

Actually, yeah. Sometimes.

[Gaia]

Seems like the only good things coming from Marvel these days involve Deadpool and Squirrel Girl... maybe they should give up on telling their crap stories and give us humor.

You forgot Next Wave: Agents of H.A.T.E. Now that is one hilariously messed up book. It has a former Captain Marvel in there too (see I brought it sort of back on topic :lol: ).

[Nerfed]

I didn't forget that title, I wasn't really aware of it.

[Dr Jack Wolfe]

The brought back Mar-Vel and overpowered him to Sentry's level? That so wrong on so many levels. Lovely boring staff meeting in the ole Marvel House of outta ideas.

"Hey lets bring back Captain Marvell"

"Again? which way this time? Clone, someone finds the nega bands how?"

"No the real one."

:::silence:::: "So you want to bring back the only character in comics ever to stay dead? The one who's death all others strive to make as important to the industry?"

::nods:: "Yeah why not?"

"ok I'm in"

[Randomus]

The best part is that they didn't even bother to devote an entire comic to the return of Captain Fucking Marvel.

[Nerfed]

Much more shocking to have it happen suddenly in the big finale issue of the mega crossover. Then they can devote a mini- or full series to the aftermath.

[D'Arkaine]

I'm thinking this may finish up regular marvel continuity for me. As excited as I was to hear of a new Nova ongoing, I can't beleive it will be any better than anything Marvel is doing.

Bucky - back (good story or not he shoulda stayed wormfood and yes i feel the same about jason todd)

Uncle Ben

Mar-Vell

I'm not even going into the deaths of Night Thrasher, Namorita and the bastardization of Speedball.

All this and the fiasco that is Civil War leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I can think of only one thing that could fix Marvel right now - Geoff Johns as Editor-in-Chief.

[Solario]

I'm thinking this may finish up regular marvel continuity for me. As excited as I was to hear of a new Nova ongoing, I can't beleive it will be any better than anything Marvel is doing.

Do what the rest of us do. Follow writers and artists instead of companies and characters. There's a lot less disappointment.


I can think of only one thing that could fix Marvel right now - Geoff Johns as Editor-in-Chief.

I can't help but think that, when you look at the DC, Johns might fuck up just as badly as Marvel is currently. Personally, if it didn't mean he had to cut back on the writing, I'd want Ed Brubaker to do it.

[MajorMarvel]

Despite Any poor product of Marvel, Atleast they didnt create a THIRD World War III.
I Cant read DC anymore. I did, I enjoyed it for years, but then The Infinite Crisis bullshit came about.
They took Killed Wally, replaced him with a Kid who suddenly aged to adolecense.
They brought back Jason Todd, and their explanation?The universe Changed....yet everybody remembers he died
They retconned DC history that I was comfortable with for literally all of my life, Twisting it and making the older books not worth reading.
They turned WonderWoman into a Cold blooded Killer. She just snaps a guys neck with no mercy. I still believe that thats not what Wonder Woman Would Do

Now here we got the Return of Captain Mar-Vell. I say Return because he still Dies. I admit the Issue stunk. It was Mar talking to himself followed by Sentry beating up on Absorbing Man(Though I didnt buy it for Sentry so I wont focus on that, but first)

Heres what Seperates me from alot of you guys. I Dont watch or read somthing depending on whos drawing it or whos writing it(Though there are a few Artists that just dont do good art, like Steve Dillon. Dillon isnt a good artist Except for when he does the Punisher. Welcome Back Frank, the art was great in that, Anyway) I Read a book for the characters and their evolving lives. Comics are like Soapoperas, they can get Cheesy as hell, but they can get good. If Me Myself and I were to judge a comic by how its written and whos writing it, I wouldnt read them at all, cause to tell the truth I'm a Synical bastard when I focus on the author. I cant read a book by its author, but on its context. I could like 1 Dickens book yet hate the rest due to the context.

The Important thing to remember is Mar still dies. They didnt touch his death. It still happens. Ever read Lion Witch and Wardrob? They go to the magical land of Narnia, have their adventure, and like, 20 years later they find the entrence back to earth and its like they were gone for a second. Mar, despite all he's about to go through in his own series, he's still going to get shto back in time and die, probably with no memory of what happened eather, he'll still die with the stable of 80s heroes around him. The Return sucked, but it did do what it did. It set up future events, and so long as they dont Bullshit how he ended up in the future, I'll probably be satisfied. I mean, theres been a lot of worse Ressurections. Jean Greys First ressurection befuddled the Phoenix, where I still dont think the whole Phoenix thing actually works. Aunt May's Ressurection was just "Oh, that was an Actor who died, I've been on Vacation". Oliver Queen comes back due to being buddies with the Spectre. Hal Jordan: All the evil stuff he did was because of alien fear parasites, and when he found that out, he got better. Donna Troy comes back by an Android who gets a Preminition. Mar is still gonna die. I'd like to see what happens.

[Seadevil]

Just a point of clarification: Wally's not dead. He's appearantly on an alternate Earth with Barry, Linda, and his kids. 'course, the Flash creative team has been complete ass. A new team jumps on with the next issue.

[thatsmystapler]

Despite Any poor product of Marvel, Atleast they didnt create a THIRD World War III.
I Cant read DC anymore. I did, I enjoyed it for years, but then The Infinite Crisis bullshit came about.
They took Killed Wally, replaced him with a Kid who suddenly aged to adolecense.
They brought back Jason Todd, and their explanation?The universe Changed....yet everybody remembers he died
They retconned DC history that I was comfortable with for literally all of my life, Twisting it and making the older books not worth reading.
They turned WonderWoman into a Cold blooded Killer. She just snaps a guys neck with no mercy. I still believe that thats not what Wonder Woman Would Do


Wonder Woman didn't just kill a man out of cold-blood. There were extenuating circumstances surrounding the killing. It was necessary. I wrote an article about this very debate on my site:

The Justice League recently banded back together after breaking up following the actions of Batman and Wonder Woman. Batman's paranoia brought about the existence of the evil Brother Eye. Wonder Woman crossed the line, set by most superheroes, and took a life. Now the question remains, was Wonder Woman in the right? Is she a murderer or a hero?

To shed a little light on the series of events, the government agency, Checkmate, had been taken over by Maxwell Lord. He was a former Justice League ally who had the ability to push people, mentally, to do his bidding. His ultimate goal was to eliminate those he saw as a threat, namely the superpowered community. To achieve his goal, he took over the mind of the world's greatest hero, Superman. With Superman under his control, Maxwell set about causing havoc by having him beat Batman to a pulp. He then turned his Kryptonian weapon towards Wonder Woman. While Superman was recovering from having his throat cut by Wonder Woman's tiara, she caught Maxwell in her Golden Lasso of Truth. She asked Maxwell how to free Superman, and his reply was simple. She had to kill him. Without hesitation, Wonder Woman reached out and snapped his neck. This lead to the heroes and the world at large turning against her for crossing that line.

The fact is, Wonder Woman had no choice. Maxwell Lord was forced to tell the truth while within her lasso. Had she let him live, he would have continued to control arguably the world's greatest weapon. If a genocidal maniac had his finger on the button of a nuclear weapon, would the public care if someone killed him first? They would want someone to take him out. Wonder Woman didn't act out of revenge or evil tendencies. Instead she made the hard decision and took a weapon away from a madman in the only manner that was available to her.

Another thing to remember is that Wonder Woman comes from a much different society than our own. Many of us, Batman and Superman included, were raised in the United States where we are taught all life is valuable no matter what. Wonder Woman, however, was raised on an island of warrior women. In her society, battle is a sport, and to die in battle is an honor. Along with that, is the belief that sometimes killing is a necessary evil. She strove to follow the beliefs of her fellow Justice League members, but when it came to the safety of the greater good, her warrior instincts took over.

Because of these points, Wonder Woman cannot be held responsible for her actions. No more than a soldier could be held responsible for theirs. Superman, Batman, and all the others who shunned her for her actions were wrong. Had she not done it, they would have regretted the atrocities that Maxwell would have committed even more. She should not be thought of as a murderer, but as a hero. She stepped up when it was required and protected the lives of many, even at the cost of her reputation as a superhero. Wonder Woman showed that sometimes the hero has to come before the super.