Thank you PC Gamer and Vista

[iggy880]

I'm sure you all know of Windows Vista, and PC Gamer magazine. Well this month they have an indepth article on Windows Vista, and all the awsome stuff that Microsoft is making with it for the next year(good read) Now, for the best part for me, many of you know I have been playing on 512 MB, well even the 2nd Vista requires 1 GB, and while we originally weren't getting it because my father believed Vista would be $300. Luckily, we found to upgrade from XP to the lowest is $100, and for the next up with Media Center and DVR, is only $159, so I'm getting 1GB minimum on my system now, and Visat with Media Center and DVR......WOOOOOOOOTTTTTTZZZZOOOORRRR.



*COUGH* Now to..um...keep this thread good, here are the requirements:

Vista Basic Home-$199/$99
800MHz Processor
512MB RAM
DirectX 9 able graphics card

Vista Home Premium-$239/$159
1GHZ 32- or 64-bit Processor
1GB RAM
DirectX 9 graphics card with 128,B RAM
40 GB of hard drive space with 15GB free space
DVD ROM Drive

Vista Ultimate-$399/$259
(All same as previous)


The first price is full, and the second is upgrade. Also, there are 5 options, these are the only 3 they named however.

[Xielos]

Whats so great about Vista?

[iggy880]

I'd say you have to read to find out, but I'm no paper boy. One of the top things with it is games made a top of the list of important stuff, so a my games menu, like my music or my pictures, with all of your games, and they are easily updated and ran, similar to console games, and Xbox Live where updates are easy, all messaging and servers are controlled via the syatem, rather than like five third party groups and apps, plus full live anywhere integration, with a gamer tag like on the 360, and partially linked to 360's as well(i.e. cross platform gaming) And a bit more

[Poison]

Most importantly, it will have a death switch. I do not like Microsoft checking on me without my permission and even less deactivating my programs if they think them unfit. I'll stay with Win2K until it dies.

[MajorMarvel]

I heard theres quite a few games that wont work on it, not to mention thats a quarter of my ram needed?(With 1 gig recomended!?) No thank you. I'll wait till I upgrade my Ram by 2 more gigs

[bpphantom]

All those hefty requirements are only needed for the new GUI. Really. Just turn off the Themes service and all the other things people already do with XP and the footprint shrinks dramatically.

Anyway, good for you Iggy :)

[Sword]

I haven't really read up on Vistas capabilities, but I read an article that mentioned some hefty comp specs to run it because of all the fancy visual stuff that was added.

That's really not what I want form my OS. I want it to bloody well function, not woo me with hawt graphics.

[Tarberetta]

Most importantly, it will have a death switch. I do not like Microsoft checking on me without my permission and even less deactivating my programs if they think them unfit. I'll stay with Win2K until it dies.

I haven't heard about a death switch...where'd you find that at?

[thebluecanary]

I haven't heard about a death switch...where'd you find that at?

I wish I had saved the email my friend sent me, but I found this one (http://windows.about.com/od/windowsvista/a/spp_vista.htm).

But basiclly if you don't register the product in a maner that MS likes it shuts down your PC and only lets you run a web browser, so you can register.

Basiclly if MS doesn't like the looks of your software or programs you are running it can turn them off, and keep you from running them.

Isn't that just nice? Yeah, I'll stick with XP, I persoanlly HATE media addition. Nothing but a pain in my ass. I have a lot of systems running atm. I've had to rebuild most of them, some several times. And I have no idea what is registered and what isn't anymore.

So I would not put it past MS to have vista look around your local network and see what everyone else is running and sent a report to big brother. So I might be need to learn more about Lynix at this point.

[Kinetix]

So I would not put it past MS to have vista look around your local network and see what everyone else is running and sent a report to big brother. So I might be need to learn more about Lynix at this point.

Start with a google search of "Linux." :p

OSX is pretty cool also, worth a look into.

[Jade_Dragon]

I direct your attention to this (http://www.cohguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5919) thread, which I posted some time ago in the Shades of Grey SG forum.

To make a long story short, I bought an entirely new copy of Windows XP, to install with my new motherboard when I upgraded my computer. Since the motherboard came with a built in Firewall, I could not get onto the Internet to register XP, and since XP would not let me log on until I registered it, I could not configure the Firewall.

It sounds like this new Vista is going to make such Catch-22 situations even more likely. So yeah, I'm not going to be switching to it any time soon.

[MajorMarvel]

I direct your attention to this (http://www.cohguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5919) thread, which I posted some time ago in the Shades of Grey SG forum.

To make a long story short, I bought an entirely new copy of Windows XP, to install with my new motherboard when I upgraded my computer. Since the motherboard came with a built in Firewall, I could not get onto the Internet to register XP, and since XP would not let me log on until I registered it, I could not configure the Firewall.

It sounds like this new Vista is going to make such Catch-22 situations even more likely. So yeah, I'm not going to be switching to it any time soon.

gotta agree with ya there. Very werry about Vista....not to mention the name reminds me of me Taco Bell.

[Masked Revenger]

I'm confused about the "kill switch." Does it check absoutly ALL of your software for valid registration, or just Vista? Because I've read three articles on it now, and none of them are very clear on that point.

Chris

[thebluecanary]

One of the articals I read talked about how an IT tech installed a final beta of Vista onto a desktop to see how it would react with their special software. He didn't think about registering it because it was just a test system. Well, come 30 days or so later the system locks him out saying he has to register. He only had access to IE. He can not run or install any kind of software. Well this system did no have a network card, and with the lock out he could not install the drivers, so he couldn't get on the internet to register so he could install the card.

Thanks Billy.

[thebluecanary]

I'm confused about the "kill switch." Does it check absoutly ALL of your software for valid registration, or just Vista? Because I've read three articles on it now, and none of them are very clear on that point.

Chris

I would guess that it WILL check all your MS software and make sure that is legal. Other then that I just do not know.

[Dr Jack Wolfe]

Its limited to Vista, MS has no way to register if your games are yours. Canary is right though, I imagine Office products will not be far behind. Of couse I imagine the law suits will be close behind too. Seems like a good time to find a fairly fast windows emulator. 1GB, christ I have 2, but now I have to go to 4?

[Poison]

MS long stated though that they will offer the death switch to other companies. So don't expect Adobe/Macromedia and other big companies to take long in checking and rechecking your comp.

[Kinetix]

Macromedia IS Adobe now btw. They got acquired.

[iggy880]

I heard theres quite a few games that wont work on it, not to mention thats a quarter of my ram needed?(With 1 gig recomended!?) No thank you. I'll wait till I upgrade my Ram by 2 more gigs

The 1 GB RAM is a minimum for that one I believe, and it may still go higher. Also, in case I forgot to mention it, for the wole new desktop, there will be 3D windows, like layered 3-dimensionally, which means 3D shaders, and rederers are always up so you don't have to wait for them when you start up a game.

[Kinetix]

Might as well use that $300 video card when you're not gaming.

[iggy880]

Damn straight, I'd scan the shot of the 3D layer if I wasn't worried about copyright(yeah right, just lazy) Anyways, instead of going for an $80 1GB from someone like Patriot, I got my Dad to up the extra cash for (what I think is) a better brand, Kingston one, for $110, and it should be here by next week.

[Poison]

Macromedia IS Adobe now btw. They got acquired.
I know, that's why I typed it Adobe/Macromedia, since they kept the name and all. Anyways, yo ucan expect Adobe to put a switch in their next CS line, since that must be one of the most pirated (is that even an adverb?) software out there.

[Kozzma]

Yea. Micro $loth Screws us yet again:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/22/vista_eula_worries/

Enjoy! :shinner:

[bpphantom]

Geeze. It's not as bad as everyone is making out. Look around and you'll find people talking about installing it on old laptops and it running faster than XP.

There's a huge difference between the RC1 and 2 and the final RTM or MSDN version.

[Istasi]

And the best part of Vista: DX10 and associated games.

[Apollinaris]

Looking over the veritable "kill switch", EULA insanity, and the overall insane price markup all I can say is...

Ewww. I certainly don't want Vista now.

[iggy880]

Like always, I feel that stuff is simply being blown out of proportion, and isn't it a good thing that Microsoft is finally doing some protection for their software? Also, DX10 may be awsome, but according to the magazine, there really aren't gonna be any games or anything like that for it at launch, but it is definately included.

[Apollinaris]

Besides the fact that if they think somethings wrong they can just shut off your system, despite the fact that doing so is illegal in a few states, including mine, or the fact that I've actually run out of activations for WinXP due to reinstalls etc. since 2001, yeah, I can see it being a problem. It's also freaking creepy. I don't want MS trolling around my computer spying on me.

[Xielos]

And what if you have a computer that has no internet access or you choose not to be online? Then what?

[iggy880]

Then you laugh and laugh at all the other doomers

[Tarberetta]

I'm kinda mixed on this.

XP already crashes itself if it detects too many hardware changes from one boot to the next. Thus, I've run out of installs a long time ago. A quick call to M$ and I'm running again.

If it's the same thing with Vista, it's really more of the same and big deal. If not, I don't want it. Not a realy big fan of the calling home either.

I'll need more info before I take the plunge....

[razoras]

I haven't experienced that with XP at all. And that's with a new mobo, new CPU, new Video Card, new Sound card, new Ethernet Card, and all the hardware on the mobo.

I think the worst of it was needing to re-register.

[Tarberetta]

Then you got the best of it. That's why when upgrading you should always go one thing at a time. If not, the OS thinks you pulled the HD and stuck it in another system or that it was possibly ghosted. Either way, you had to re-register.

It *is* there, and I'm not the only one to find it. If you add a hard drive and a new dvd-rom drive don't be suprised if XP crashes itself afterwards.

[Apollinaris]

Oh yes, let's not forget that we'll also need to buy new monitors that are HDCP compliant too. -.-

[razoras]

I HAVE essentially swapped HDs. No problems either.

I'd say your experience was a fluke of bad coding rather than an intentional function.

All the doom and gloom about Windows Vista is likely grossly exaggerated and mostly unfounded.