SW III---the first reviews

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So who went to see Revenge of the Sith last night? How was it from a scale of SW I (about a zero) to SW V (about a ten)? No spoilers, or at least a spoiler warning please.

Obi Wan, you're our only hope.....

[Amoeba Man]

Yes, yes, yes. Lets hear those reviews. I know someone here must have seen it.

[8 Ball]

Spoilers?..well I'm told that Annakin becomes Darth Vader at some point :P

*runs*

[Poison]

DAMMIT, 8BALL!!! :mad:

:chuckle:

[Sebastian Kain]

Saw it for free late last nite (early this morning). If you like Star Wars...go see it. I'm not going to spoil it for you.

[Meltman]

For free?!? Damn presidential perks......

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Spoilers?..well I'm told that Annakin becomes Darth Vader at some point

Dang it, 8ball! I guess the next thing your going to try to tell us is that there is no Santa Clauss?

[Meltman]

There's no Easster Bunny either.

[Amoeba Man]

There's no Easster Bunny either.NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

*collapses*

[Tsarmina]

I heard there were lightsaber duels. And the Tooth fairy got chopped in half.

[Stan Walker]

and The Great Pumpkin becomes the Emporer :cool:

[Sebastian Kain]

And Neil Diamond becomes a Sith Lord.

[Noble]

And the Tooth fairy got chopped in half.

I would pay to see that.

[Malibu Sally]

And Neil Diamond becomes a Sith Lord.

Becomes a Sith Lord? I think he is the original sith lord.

"Where it began
I can’t begin to knowin’
But then I know it’s growin’ strong

Was in the spring
And spring became the summer
Who’d have believed you’d come along

Hands, touchin’ hands
Reachin’ out
Touchin’ me
Touchin’ you

Sweet caroline
Good times never seemed so good
I’ve been inclined
To believe they never would

But now i
Look at the night
And it don’t seem so lonely
We fill it up with only two
And when I hurt
Hurtin’ runs off my shoulders
How can I hurt when I’m with you

Warm, touchin’ warm
Reachin’ out
Touchin’ me
Touchin’ me

Sweet caroline
Good times never seemed so good
I’ve been inclined
To believe they never would
Oh, no, no

Sweet caroline
Good times never seemed so good
I’ve been inclined
I believed they never could"

[MaligneFamily]

4.5 stars (out of 5) Empire Strikes back is still better, yet this takes my cake as the most complete and fan appeasing of the series. Empire had the story, while Revenge has the development (even though its dialogue is awful)

I can say this really is out to please everybody, the amount of cameos, from the interesting, to the absurd shameless entry. Also the Yoda sequences are beyond good, making up extremely well for those akward sequences of love that occur. Also the amount of planets visited makes it great for those that love SW trivia. May I also add it is the saddest movie of the sextet, the fall of the Jedi and the Republic is something very saddening. bah enough of this....

Go See IT!

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Thanks MaligneFamily, good to hear!
Edit: I'm a huge SW geek. I watched the original release of SW IV in theater when I was 7-8 years old and it was the first movie I ever went to. (man, I'm old!)



Originally Posted by Tsarmina:

And the Tooth fairy got chopped in half

ehh? you're getting close to home with that one....







(Making Paragon more beautiful one extraction at a time, since June '04)

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[Impact]

I'll be sure to drop a review when I get back from seeing it in....*looks at watch* an hour and a half.....curse being at work and the time slowing portal that surrounds it! :mad: :grumble:

[sheld0n]

Im gonna go see it to make fun of it. If its actually good, all the better. :p

[Charon]

Well I just saw it, but frankly I'm too tired to type out a review. So, I'll give you this.

Starts off slow paced. Ends ****ing awesome. Lots of cliches, some crap dialogue, and didn't quite live up exactly to what I was expecting - but overall, it's fantastic. See it.

[Solario]

My friends hailed it like it was the Second Coming, but I have yet to see it. He only got three tickets (and then they were sold out) and I'm the lesser of the Star Wars geeks, so I didn't get to see it.

[Kinetix]

I saw it this early morning and I'm glad to say it beats the other 2 prequels (that's not saying much though.) Still can't touch the originals.

I think it is a good movie 4/5 medium-drinks-mountain-dew is my rating.

[Tarkenchi]

*puts on darth vader mask and holsters up blaster/saber* Kssshk. kssshk. You do not know the power of the darkside. (cya in 2 hours)

[Emerald Sky]

*puts on darth vader mask and holsters up blaster/saber* Kssshk. kssshk. You do not know the power of the darkside. (cya in 2 hours)

it's 2 hrs 26 mins....I hope he doesn't leave after the first two hours :D

[Impact]

Alright....back from the movie & a cookout so I've had time to think about it.

IMO I'd set this one as just a little under The Empire Strikes Back. Like Charon said, the dialogue was kinda bad & cliche at times but the music was amazing, i'll probably go pick up the soundtrack in the near future. As far as my expectations, I will say they changed some things b/t the video game (for those who played it) and the movie, I guess to keep us in the dark about it till we see it. It could have been me but this movie was pretty emotional. I know for sure that it struck some personal chords with me. Amazing the lengths one will go to for love....[/end personal spot].

For the most part I enjoyed it as far as all the action goes although I was a bit diappointed with GG & the not showing of some parts that were in the game that I wanted to see on screen. Definately worth the $$$ though and the hype was genuinely well placed this time. I wouldn't be surprised if I ended up seeing it two or three more times.

[ShadowSoldier]

I really liked this one. I generally go easy on movies, but besides some of the dialogue, this one rocks. SPOILER! there's this one guy....and he rocks /SPOILER!
Some parts of it move a bit too fast, but I pretty much overlooked any flaws of the movie due to the amount of sweet battles in it.

[Tarkenchi]

Well... Im back, and im dissapointed. I was hoping this thing would be a blow out, but it just didn't live up to my expectations... that and the fact i was the only one with a costume... and a lighsaber... :cry: But, erm, it ain't going in my collection. :grr:

[Emerald Sky]

Well... Im back, and im dissapointed. I was hoping this thing would be a blow out, but it just didn't live up to my expectations... that and the fact i was the only one with a costume... and a lighsaber... :cry: But, erm, it ain't going in my collection. :grr:

This is what happens when you place your expectations so high that nothing can come close :P

[Tarkenchi]

This is what happens when you place your expectations so high that nothing can come close :P

I didn't set them high, especially after the last 2... I mean, they were better than episode 1 and 2, but what the hell is up with george lucas?! The old movies, are just, so much better, i mean, god.. meh. :grr:

[Blackbat]

I think it's the same reason Matrix 2 and 3 were such let downs. The original Matrix much like the original Star Wars films were so revolutionary and something so new and never seen before that any sequels will never live up to their predecessors.

[Tarkenchi]

I think it's the same reason Matrix 2 and 3 were such let downs. The original Matrix much like the original Star Wars films were so revolutionary and something so new and never seen before that any sequels will never live up to their predecessors.

but see, thats the thing, episode 5 and 6 were both sequels to episode 4, and they were great.. i mean, maybe its because george lucas isn't a hippy anymore that he forgot how to do it? i mean, just, DAMNIT!

[Yin]

Just came back from seeing it.

Was on the edge of my seat the entire time. I even got caught up in the romance which I hated in Episode II. The lightsaber duels are gorgeous. The scenes and sets are gorgeous. There are tons of new introductions to life forms and different planets, and a lot of, "OH MY GOD! DID THAT JUST HAPPEN?!" moments. Some parts were actually depressing. This definitely wraps it all up.

[Yin]

Well... Im back, and im dissapointed. I was hoping this thing would be a blow out, but it just didn't live up to my expectations... that and the fact i was the only one with a costume... and a lighsaber... :cry: But, erm, it ain't going in my collection. :grr:

My friend pulled a Vader. Had the voicebox and all, so it actually made sounds. I brought my Jedi robe, but wore regular clothes. My other friend and I had an intense lightsaber duel after the movie. It was that good that we had to do it. Drew a lot of attention and hands claps too. :P

[MaligneFamily]

May we remind everybody, George Lucas never directed Empire Strikes Back nor Return of the Jedi. He's only done the original and the prequels

[AfterglowNoMore]

Frankly, I really didn't like it. I thought that some of the acting was weak and one dimensionally emotionless. The story was painfully unsurprising. The whole reason for him turning to the darkside was weak too. He has two dreams, and then is turned after little chiding. It makes Vader seem like a weak willed chump. It made his whole turning to the dark side pointless. It was like, hmm, we need to make him evil so let's hardly try. From what I'm told, skip the movie and read the book.

To me it seemed that Lucas basically said, "Hell, I've only got one more of these to make so I'll hope that they are blinded by a a bunch of lightsaber battles and don't realize that I made a half arsed attempt at ending the series."

Just my personal opinion.

[ShadowHands]

Just got back and am awed. Lucas is a god among insects! Despite all the thrashes on the other two movies he came through with this one and blew me away! I was so caught in the movie I couldnt hear the crying babies and cell phones!


GO SEE IT NOW!!!!

[Murphy's Law]

I was pleasantly surprised with 'Sith'. After the last two movies, I didn't go in expecting much, but it was easily the best Star Wars since 'Empire'. I'd put in on par with Episode 4, maybe even a tad higher...I'll have to give it time to sink in before giving final judgement.

My only real gripe with the movie was that some of the "ub3r l33t" characters on both sides were defeated rather easily...almost like they needed to get rid of them just to tie up the loose ends.

The dialogue is stilted, but much better than Episodes I & II, and the scenes with Padme and Anakin were not nearly as painful to watch as I was expecting. I don't know many people who go to a SW movie for the acting, though ;)

[Randomus]

I wasn't expecting it to be any good, but it kicked my ass. The romantic scenes still sucked, but Portman managed to inject some genuine emotion into a few of her lines, even if they were badly-written.

The transition to Vader was well done, in my view. He was scared ****less, Palpatine had been manipulating him for years by then, and he was an angry teenager who felt he should get preferential treatment just because he had more power. Didn't think it was weak or glossed over at all. They did gloss over the deaths of all the Jedi, though. I was hoping for more from that part of the film.

The fight scenes were very good as well. I liked that they threw in some old school fisticuffs as well as the saber-slingin'. Padmés' line, "So this is how freedom dies... to the sound of thunderous applause" or something like that was very good. The cracking wise was cool as well.

Too many wookiee noises. We got it: there are wookiees. That doesn't mean that every time there's even one of them in a scene there has to be a constant yowling in the background.

Yoda's fight scenes were cool, but still overwrought. I was hoping there'd be a Fastball Special-esque scene after he climbed up on Chewbacca's shoulder's, but was disappointed. Some of Palpatine's lines were delivered badly. Yoda's broken syntax kind of ruins any badassery his lines might have had, and made them more humorous than intimidating. Maybe that's why the Emperor was laughing all the time.

The battle between Anakin and Obi wan was amazing.

Overall, I place it just below Empire in terms of Star Wars flicks. And seeing as Empire is my favourite, that's saying something.

Did anyone else notice the Millenium Falcon near the beginning? That was a nice touch.

[Charon]

The Millenium Falcon was in it???? Where???

[Tsarmina]

The showing starts in an hour. Can't wait. :thumbup: :cool:

[inkblaster]

Ok, just got done watching it, overall it was good, best of this trilogy, and maybe as good as Jedi.(have to weigh the following against Luke fighting the Rancor and he and Vader beating the Emporer, along with Boba Fett's suckass death and teddy bears.)
**** SPOILAGE!!!! ****

First let's get out what I didn't like:
Frankenstein scene tops the list, Vader, although with rebuilt legs and everything, should have used the force to rip off the shackles and then picked up some random extra and killed them.
NOT! I repeat NOT! Bust out like Frankenstien, taken two steps forward, and let out the woosey "NOOOOO!!!!!!!!". That has for me, forever tainted the image of Vader as a badass.

Obi-Wan cuts off Anakin's arm and legs in one fowl swoop and Anakin is still clawing towards him with his robotic arm, and all I can think is.
"It's only a flesh wound!",
"You've got not legs!",
"I've had worse! C'mon ya pansy!".
Sorry, if it was meant to be a homage to Monty, it was a damn good one, if not, it should've been.

The Wookie attack scene, yes, you heard right, there was a Tarzan yell in there, wtf?
When Yoda takes off there is wookie dialogue, wtf are they saying? No subtitles, if you're going to have a minute of dialogue nobody understands except seals, have subtitles, we don't speak Wookie.

R2 says something to 3PO, who responds, "He has been under a lot of stress", again, wtf did R2 say? I don't speak droid, and AM makes a terrible protocol droid so he couldn't interpret.

Commander Cody, ok, we get it George, you've run out of cool names and now are just stealing them from old 30's serials, kudos to you.

Oh, and the way the references from the first movies are shot to hell, let's see
"I don't seem to recall owning a droid"
"Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough."
"When I met your father he was a great pilot"(yeah yeah, first movie).
3PO's memory is wiped after he's in Achilles custody, and yet...
"My first job was programming binary load lifter...very similar to your vaporators."

and more crappy sappy dialogue, but at least they were brief.


What I did like:
The fight scene with General Grievous, he was a cool character.

The way they did the turning of Anakin was cool, he did try to turn in Palpatine, and after he helped off Windu was remorseful, so good job there.

The Anakin/Obi-Wan saber duel was good stuff.

I would've liked to have seen a glowey Qui-Gon, but can't have everything, would've been nice though.

I still hope that Lucas is just punking everyone about the last 3 movies not being done. Say it's 20 years later, and you can still have the original cast together.(except glowey Ben Kenobi)

[Amoeba Man]

What Ink said, and....

****SPOILER****

What?! Do they have no medical technology in a galaxy far far away? Is the only answer to saving Padmay turning evil? How about we go to a doctor and get a second opinion. And is there no method for telling that there are twins until she is in labor? Gez!

Yeah, so I'd like to see the other three movies so long as Lucau doesn't direct them.

[Tarkenchi]

What Ink said, and....

****SPOILER*****snip* because i couldn't fix the color to not show up*


Yeah, so I'd like to see the other three movies so long as Lucau doesn't direct them.

Ohh, hey, lets not forget but

They can save people from the whole, dying thing, and people can fly in cars and people can use force, but when somebody has child birth they die? even WE can save people from dying in childbirth most the time, but i mean seriously, She KNEW it was twins because she said right outta the woom "luke, Leia" Im like, What the F*ck?! ohh, also, seriously, whats up with the whole jedi's dying... these people have INSIGHT into the future... they can SENSE that stuff! i mean, when the clone troopers cock there blasters then they look around?! but ofcourse yoda, he kicks their asses without even looking... hmm... also, with the whole obi-anakin saber fight, Where was the force! I mean, they have things like Force Push, and stuff like that, but when he is off balance, and you could easily *push* him into lava, you don't... instead, you let him regain balance, and fight more?! :rolleyes: P.S. dont screw up the redone ep 4-6 please? k thx bye

[Griimace]

Well....The message I got was that Padme's death was a self fulfilling prophecy. The only reason Padme died was that she lost the will to live. She lost the will to live because the person she loved turned to the Dark Side. Anakin turned to the Dark Side becuase he wanted to avoid her death, but it was what caused her death in the first place. Karma and all that.

Anyway, I liked it. Being a recent Star Wars convert, I haven't seen the others, making this the best I've seen(almost by default). Only things I didn't really like was the ease that Obi-Wan took care of Grevious. I mean, an evil droid trained to use up to 4 Lightsabers at once gets handled that easily? Come on.

And the ending made Vader look like an organ on the female body. Most dangerous man in the galaxy? Yeah right.

[suburbanhell]

I'm not really good at writing reviews, but since I just got out of it, here goes:

I was rather surprised by the amount in the audience that seemed....bored during this episode. I know it's not all ewoks and yay good guys this time around but it's not supposed to be like that.

I thought that several things got tied up together nicely, especially Anakin's transition to Vader, and how it seemed that Palpatine aged several hundred years between ep II and ep IV.

I also now can fully understand the "he's more machine than man now" dialog between obi-wan and luke in Jedi.

I'm not entirely sure I get the Chewbacca thing though -- his whole planet nearly obliterated of it's species, and he ends up with Han -- but...never tells how he left the planet?

Another point of confusion -- towards the end, mentioning the return of Qui Gon -- naturally we never see him in ep IV, why bring it up at all?

Also, how old is Obi-Wan supposed to be in this episode, I highly doubt 18-20 years pass and he looks as old as he did in ep IV -- or are we to believe the suns of Tatooine age people faster? lol.

There's my 2 cents.

[Kinetix]

Where do we see Qui Gon in Ep 4?

Also Tark, the prequels are worse because he wrote them himself without help. He had lots of help on the originals.

Here are my qualms with the movie:

First when the buzz droid dies on Anankin's wing, and flies of due to wind resistance??? No wind in space Geroge...

Second when Grievous slashes out the window in the spaceship. Spcae would one, invert their lungs and suck all the air out of their body and two, freeze them instantly.

Third, Dooku shashes that blacony onto Obi Wan's legs, he should have never been able to walk again...

[Tarkenchi]

Where do we see Qui Gon in Ep 4?



thats the thing. we Don't

[Kinetix]

Why bring it up?

Maybe to show that if Anakin stayed Light Jedi he could accomplish keeping Padme alive?

[Charon]

I think you're all ****ting on this movie just a little too much.

Yes, there were a few things that didn't quite match up, but why are you letting little details ruin the whole movie for you when you could just watch it as a whole and maybe enjoy it? Sure, the little things are annoying but I just generally overlooked them, because overall this is a damn good film. Stop acting like you want to go burn down Skywalker ranch for a movie that isn't as bad as you're making out.

EDIT: Actually, just to cover Tark's points, cause they're rediculous. Highlight to see.


1. Padme died because she lost the will to live - not because of inadequate medical equipment or care. Because of the fact that Anakin turned to the Dark Side, she lost the will to live and therefore died, and Anakin only turned to the Dark Side because he wanted to save her from dying, which he had prophesised. It's meant to be ironic. Jesus. Get with the program.

2. People generally think of names they want to call their children. They also generally think of two names. One for a boy. One for a girl. Padme had twins. She therefore already had thought of names for either eventuality - not necessarily because she 'knew' she had twins. As for not detecting the fact she had twins in the first place - it happens. *shrug*

3. All Jedi have different force powers, for a start, they don't necessarily possess the power over all of them and some of them specialise in just one, so not ALL of them have the insight. But either way the jedi generally got taken down by bassically whole armies. Ki Adi Mundi fought back, but he was overwhelmed. Plo Koon got taken out in a Jedi Starfighter - he's a Jedi, but he's not necessarily an awesome pilot, especially against those odds. And yes, some of the jedi just got shot in the back, which kinda sucks, but to be fair there were whole armies against them - they wouldn't have survived.

4. Obi Wan didn't force push Anakin into the lava at that point because he still thought he could help him, and probably didn't want to kill him, deep down. Anakin didn't force push Obi Wan, because I should imagine, even though he was killing, so called 'innocents' (Trade Viseroys don't fall under 'innocent' for me, but whatever) he was still somewhat apprehensive about killing someone who is bassically his best friend - he was only ready to do this in Episode IV, after Obi Wan put him in the suit and his rage had grown.


Sorry about the length of that, but I just thought the last 4 points Tark put forward as to why this movie is crap were absolutely absurd.

[inkblaster]

1. Padme died because she lost the will to live - not because of inadequate medical equipment or care. Because of the fact that Anakin turned to the Dark Side, she lost the will to live and therefore died, and Anakin only turned to the Dark Side because he wanted to save her from dying, which he had prophesised. It's meant to be ironic. Jesus. Get with the program.



I just want to rebuttle this one point in spoilage covered goodness:

What bugs me about this is not that she lost the will to live, because that's believable with all that happened, it's that a droid is saying this.
Some floaty droid is all like "She's lost the will to live."
If a medical droid told me that, I'd be like, you're not a medical droid! Didn't I see you shunting power converters the other day in the shuttle bay? Shenanigans!

Your other 3 points I agree with, the names, the not killing, and the off'ing of the Jedi due to their different abilities.
One thing to mention, Yoda has been around for a few hundred years, and the reason he hobbles around is he focuses using the force to 'become one' with the universe type of thing. When he drops his cane and does the badass sonic the hedgehog fighting, he's channeling the force through himself to do this. And he is the most powerful Jedi Master, and ran from the Sith Lord with his tail between his legs.
Also, this difference in abilities is highly noted between Anakin and Obi-Wan, in flying skills, Anakin bests all, in one on one lightsaber dueling, Obi-Wan is the man, but hates flying.
Truth be told if Anakin played SWG he'd probably end up focusing on the force crafting skill tree.
Yes I realize there's a shiny bright nerd beacon over my house now, don't judge me!

[Blur]

I would also like to point out that since the clones seemed to have the instructions already programed in their mind, their mindset wouldn't change dramatically, thus the danger sense wouldn't be as strong as if an assassin was going to kill them.

[Randomus]

If you are prepared, you don't die instantly in space. You've got about 20 seconds. And they're Jedi. Of course they're prepared. Also, there was still atmosphere on the bridge. It wasn't all gone yet.

Just thought I'd point that one out.

Honestly, the original Star Wars movies weren't very good either. This one matched up with their level of cheesy entertainment very well. They're not epics. They're amusing showcases for groundbreaking special effects that just happened to capture the hearts of nerds everywhere. I think people really overrate the original trilogy.

[Kinetix]

Wouldn't you freeze instantly?

[Blackbat]

Without a space suit, the following would happen:

You would become unconscious within 15 seconds because there is no oxygen.

Your blood and body fluids would "boil" and then freeze because there is little or no air pressure.

Your tissues (skin, heart, other internal organs) would expand because of the boiling fluids.

You would face extreme changes in temperature:
sunlight: 248 degrees Fahrenheit / 120 degrees Celsius
shade: -148 F / -100 C

You would be exposed to various types of radiation, such as cosmic rays, and charged particles emitted from the sun (solar wind).

You could be hit by small particles of dust or rock that move at high speeds (micrometeoroids) or orbiting debris from satellites or spacecraft.

Link (http://science.howstuffworks.com/space-suit1.htm)

[Got]

I haven't seen the film but let me just say this: the amount of highlighting I've done in this thread is quite absurd.

My 2 pence.

[Lawmaker]

My non spoilerish comments (no highlighting neccessary! Hurrah!)

Happy thoughts:
Mace went out in a most satisfying way... I was always afraid that Sam Jackson would get a wussy death, But it was quite well done... He is one bad M... F...er...

Not so happy thoughts:
I still think Anakin is a little Twit.

Thoughts I think Yoda was thinking (to Obi wan at the end):
Told you so, I did...

:p

[Blackbat]

Just saw it tonight, I loved it. Of course, I'm not comparing it to an of the other Star Wars films. I'm just taking it for what it is, entertainment. I walked out of the theater feeling as if my money was well spent, that's really all I want out of a film.

[Meltman]

Without a space suit, the following would happen:

You would become unconscious within 15 seconds because there is no oxygen.

Your blood and body fluids would "boil" and then freeze because there is little or no air pressure.

Your tissues (skin, heart, other internal organs) would expand because of the boiling fluids.

You would face extreme changes in temperature:
sunlight: 248 degrees Fahrenheit / 120 degrees Celsius
shade: -148 F / -100 C

You would be exposed to various types of radiation, such as cosmic rays, and charged particles emitted from the sun (solar wind).

You could be hit by small particles of dust or rock that move at high speeds (micrometeoroids) or orbiting debris from satellites or spacecraft.

Link (http://science.howstuffworks.com/space-suit1.htm)

You also can't hear laser blasts or explosions in space either, yet......

I think it's special "Star Wars Space"

[Sable Phoenix]

Okay, so I went to see it. Spoiler-rife mullings below.

I don't know, Tark... if everything I knew and cared about had just been reduced to shambles around me, most of the people I'd known all my life were dead, and I'd just fought a mortal duel with my absolute best friend, cut off three of his limbs and listened to him tell me he hates me, I think about all I could do would be to walk away too.

This movie was exhuasting. It's the only Star Wars movie that's brought me to close tears, and it didn't just do it once. At least four times I can remember welling up. And that's just what I can remember. Order 66 and Anakin's raid on the Temple were horribly difficult to watch; Ayla Secura's death in particular just sickened me, when the clones gun her down from behind and then just keep shooting her, and keep shooting her, and keep shooting her... And the Jedi younglings, man... when Anakin walked into the room full of little kids and lit up his saber I was just stunned. I literally could not believe he would do that, even at that point.

For some reason one of the other really awful scenes was seeing half a Wookiee laying under the wrecked flyer while the clones were searching for Yoda.

Anakin versus Obi-Wan, even though we all knew it was coming, was really intense. I think it's because, not only was it extremely fast and close fighting, but it was two best friends (and we really believed it in this film, we really see thier relationship before Anakin goes bad) trying to kill each other.

It was a great movie but I don't know how often I can stand to watch it, really. It was just so horribly dark and gutwrenching and emotionally draining. Definitely the most emotionally intense of all the Star Wars films.

The bad: well, the only really bad parts were any time the battle droids spoke. They all sounded like Alvin and the Chipmunks speaking into synthesizers. If they'd kept the Episode 1 and 2 voices it would've been sort of okay, but... meh.

As for General Greivous: he's wheezing because Mace Windu used the Force to crush his midriff while he was abducting Chancellor Palpatine. This of course is never given any mention in the movie, you'd have to watch the Clone Wars animated miniseries to know that. This is also why Obi-Wan was able to defeat him singlehandedly; when he was fully operational, Ki-Adi Mundi, Shak Ti, Ayla Secura, and three other Jedi all fought him at once, and he killed the three nameless ones and injured Ayla Secura and Shak Ti before being driven off by clone trooper commandos and their gunship (again, this is from Clone Wars).

[Sable Phoenix]

As far as the body's response to vaccuum, that's not totally correct. You don't freeze instantly, because even though space is nearly absolute zero it's also vaccuum, and there is no way for heat to escape your body other than radiation, which is the least efficient method of heat dissipation. In actuality, overheating is a problem for astronauts, not freezing; most of the aparatus on those big spacesuits they wear for spacewalking is actually an air conditioner. In fact your own perspiration is sufficient to keep you cool in space, it's just that your skin doesn't have the tensile strength to withstand the pressure differential. NASA has been working on developing a kind of mesh for spacesuits that's basically like a nylon stocking, which will provide your skin with the necessary rigidity but basically leaves it exposed to vaccuum so that your own body can take care of the temperature control. Also, your bodily fluids don't boil. Fluids do boil in vaccuum, but that's because they're not under pressure. The fluids in your body, by contrast, are.

The worst thing that happens if you're ejected unprotected into hard vaccuum is that all your air passages collapse and the veins near your skin rupture. Of course that's still pretty bad; you're probably not going to recover from that. But you don't boil or freeze. As for the Jedi, they never were in hard vaccuum, so it's believable that they survived. What I find odd is (SPOILER)that Grievous survived vaccuum, since he's got exposed organic internal organs which would not have done so well, but... whatever.

[Murphy's Law]

Saw it again last night (took my brother to see it). ***SPOILERS AHEAD*** (and no, I'm not making them invisible, all that highlighting is annoying)

1. The wookiee tarzan yell when they engage the droid army was pretty silly, but it still got a smile out of me.

2. Palpatine, shouting (more like gargling) "no, no, no!" at Mace Windu was also pretty silly, but did not get a smile out of me. It was really over-the-top, and marred what I felt was otherwise an amazing job by Ian McDiarmand (sp?)

3. I felt they tried too hard to paint Anakin as a sympethic character. After he killed the younglings, there's no way anyone should feel sympathy for him. Then later he kills a room full of enemy separatists...and sheds a tear afterwards? Sorry, all I could think was "thank god Obi-Wan is gonna kick your ass".

4. I was somewhat disappointed Anakin didn't "hunt down and kill the jedi", other than the ones at the temple. But, given Obi-Wan and Yoda change the signal at the temple, and it's possible at least some of the other Jedi survived Operation 66, maybe he later goes out and hunts down these remaining jedi, with Boba Fett's help (helps fit with what's said in EP IV, at least for me :) )

5. That scene at the end where Yoda and Obi-Wan are talking about Qui-Gon has "deleted scene" written all over it. I would not be surprised if he appears as a blue glowie on the DVD.

All the above observations are nitpicky at best. I still really enjoyed the movie (although I would recommend watching the Clone Wars series beforehand, as it will help explain the backstory a great deal). I still say it's as good as Star Wars, and just a notch below Empire.

[Istasi]

Saw it last night with a friend, and I have to say it rocked. Maybe not as much as 'Empire' but it still rocked. Definitely a much darker tone.

4/5 puking cats!

[inkblaster]

I haven't seen the film but let me just say this: the amount of highlighting I've done in this thread is quite absurd.

My 2 pence.

Got,
Highly amusing, but I want the 3 seconds of my life back it took me to highlight that.

[Malibu Sally]

Haven't seen it yet. I do need to know one thing though. Does anyone/anything get a hand or arm cut off by a lightsaber? With the exception of EI, every film has had a hand/arm severing scene.

As far as realistic space sequences go. The ONLY major film to even come close to realism was 2001: A Space Odyssey. All others succumb to dramatic license and include things like sounds and such.

[ThunderMace]

yes Sally, multiple times.
and I went to go see it on the IMAX here in GA and it rocked.
Dialogue was clunky as always, but some really good scenes.
You can fault Lucas on many things, but imagination is not one of them.

[Sable Phoenix]

At least four hands get cut off in the movie. If you count major characters whether they're droids or not, make it at least six. This doesn't even count at least two legs and three heads. Lots of dismemberment via lightsaber in this one.

And by the way, the Wookiee "Tarzan yell" is straight out of Return of the Jedi. Chewbacca made that self-same noise when swinging onto the top of the AT-ST.

[Sable Phoenix]

Here (http://www.starwars.com/clonewars/microseries/chapter/archive.html) is a place you can download the Clone Wars episodes, if anyone's interested.

[Poison]

So we saw it yesterday.
And if you've read this far in this thread, you must have seen it. So stop the highlighting, sheesh.

I pretty much agree with everything Ink posted. The turning to Vader was way too wussy IMO. Christensen's acting at some points had soap opera quality. The love/dialogue scenes, though necessary, were boring as hell. The Frankenstein scene was ridiculous. And that guy looks like a highschool rip-off of Vader, he's too small and slim! He looked like Dark Helmet at some points. The CGI at some points was BAD! When Obi Wan talks to "Cody", you so see those others were pasted in. Same with Yoda and other stuff. And wtf is with the FFX water-drug-opera rip-off thingie?

Another thing that bugged me was the faulty introduction of "main" characters". You don't understand the importance of Dooku and Grivous if you haven't read all pre-Ep3 comics, books and seen Clone Wars. Nobody informs you that Grivous is a kick-ass ex-warrior lizardman who killed 47 Jedis all by himself in some book. That he was turned into a cyborg by Dooku. All that stuff, that luckily a SW-fanatic friend told me before the movie.

The duels were mostly sweet, I liked McGregor as Kenobi (though oftentimes too cocky). The only more unimportant role in this movie except Padme (give Ani a reason to turn evil and give birth to the twins, then die already!) was 3PO who seemed so very needless, especially compared to the dirtiest fighting droid in the universe, R2.

Definitely the best of the 3 new movies, but it only gave me more reason to watch the classic movies again.

My personal highlight:
the Twi'Lek babe hardly dressed in a hint of nothing in the opera. :naughty:

[Tsarmina]

R2 was easily my fav char in the movie. :D I'd go on but I'd just be re-posting what others have already said. But there is one thing that I want to have said again. Darth Frankenstein?!?!?! I can no longer think of him as a bad ass after that lameo grief/rage thing he did. Bah. :grr: Same thing when they did the whole re-doing of certain movies and had Jabba practically grovelling at Han's feet. Double Bah. :grr: :grr:
They need to stop ruining the bad guys. Really.

[iggy880]

Saw it yesterday. Kinda depressing, but terrific acting, special effects, story, and ties all loose ends leading up to the original.

[Meltman]

Saw it yesterday. Kinda depressing, but terrific acting, special effects, story, and ties all loose ends leading up to the original.

Agreed. (Except for the yesterday part, as I saw it friday and all.....)

[Graphite]

I agree with Poison. If you’ve read 7 pages into to this thread, then you must have already seen the movie. If not, same on you and go see it! There will be no black text: you have been warned. This turned out to be a lot longer than I at first thought. Looong post ahead:

This movie had a lot of great literary themes too, and some of the most powerful emotional moments that I’ve seen in any Star Wars movie. Thank you Sable for bringing up the Younglings! For a while I thought no one would mention it, and was starting to think I was the only one affected. I mean, killing little children who think you’ve come to rescue you is dark, Really dark. We all know Vader is one bad mofoe, but he didn’t do anything close to that in the first three movies (mostly he killed henchmen or rebels who earned it, and certainly not kids). I’d rank that scene up there as one of the most evil moments in all of SciFi, right along with Magneto using Prof X to kill all humans. For me, it was almost a step too far and almost wrecked the movie. Lucas didn’t convince me that Anakin had be come THAT evil (as I’ll mention later). It would have made more sense for them to become Dark Jedi. But… I mean… Wow.

Then of course comes the Order 66. Really, they didn’t have the time to show 10 odd Jedi Masters be killed off by 100 odd Storm troopers in any big battle scenes. This was straight, to the point and very effective. Maybe the Jedi could have had future insight, but the whole point is that they trusted the clones with their lives as brothers in combat. Yoda is the only one you see meditating, and it is through meditation that you see the future or other places (Anakin being the exception cause he’s so gifted). He’s the one most tuned to the force, which is why he could feel it happen and had any warning. I’m also convinced that Yoda lived because he was with the Wookiees who then protected him. A friend of mine bout 10 years ago mentioned that at the end of the clone wars, the clones when crazy. I was happy to see from a certain point of view, this kinda happened. Order 66 also showed that Emperor didn’t need Vader to take over. It was too late at that point and showed what a political mastermind Palpatine was. Seemed more like he need Anakin on his side so that Anakin would kill him, control him like a pet thus proving he had the greater power. Just as Obi Wan said, “he helped hunt down and destroy the Jedi,” not the other way around. Kudos Lucas Kudos.

The last big emotional scene, for me at least, was the extermination of Duuko. It was overly cliché and I wouldn’t want it another way. Here’s this unarmed man and Anakin Knows he’s not suppose to kill him. The whole scene set up is identical to Return of the Jedi: the background, the Emperor in his chair egging him on, a hapless victim to be cut in two. Unlike Luke, he makes the wrong call, “ the quick and easy path”, because he deserves to die and shouldn’t be allowed to escape. Anakin shows no mercy and cements his role as future pawn. Great foreshadowing yet nod to the original. Even Duukos final look on his face before it gets cut off is priceless. Mace said the exact same line with Anakin and the Empire. I would argue that the Emperor was being coe just to see what Anakin would do. Just think, the fall of the republic could have been avoided if he’d (meaning Mace) done the right thing. Three powerful scenes, all in one movie, that by themselves is worth the price of admission. Unfortunately, the rest of the script is kinda lacking and it seems that the less words there were, the better the movie. Still, its no better or worse than any other Star Wars movie.

In terms of Action the space battle was good, not nearly as good as Jedi though which remains in my mind the best space battle ever (and Trek’s First Contact second). The background visuals were wonderfully breathtaking. This always seems to be Lucas’ best ability as a director and there isn’t a single scen in terms of environment that was not well done. There were several subtle nods to the classic three that I enjoyed. Sable pointed out the Wookiee call just like Chewie’s in Jedi that I found amusing. Artoo continues to be da man, as a friend of mine calls him the true hero of Star Wars. I never saw him not do something cool, be it using his periscope when in the junk pile similar Empire or frying those bots in oil.

There are some qualms I had with the movie. It wasn’t great and I left the theater dissatisfied (though I expected as much). Mostly it had to do with Anakin’s conversion. First half of the movie I would call him neutral: he didn’t like the dark side, didn’t like the council and wanted to do the right think, yet couldn’t seem to do it. I think what tipped the scales was his desire to save Padme. The irony is great, after all if he didn’t go dark she wouldn’t have died. The distrust of Anakin from the Council is further encouragement for him to go to the dark side, and in famous Greek tradition shows us why prophecy is bad. For a moment, the movie tried to show us another side of the Sith. Maybe they are good just with different intentions and focus. I parallel it to going Super Sayen in dbz where they use rage and anger to accomplish ultimate power, then this power can be used to protect the weak. However, Lucas messed it up hardcore. Vader’s comment about “well from my point of view the Jedi are evil” is just bad and doesn’t make sense. Further more, the moment Anakin converts is too quick or not drawn out or something. He didn’t kill Mace so why is he bowing down to Palpatine. He wants to save Padme so he goes and kills younglings. I don’t buy it. He’s too dark, it’s too much of a switch. Its not like he’s raging and upset at these people. This isn’t a quest for ultimate power or forming a new empire (after all he wants to protect his republic). No, its more like he has been possessed, not seduced, by Emperor Palpatine. This could be a fault of the actor, who I feel did a better job in Episode two (which I did enjoy), by wrong facial expressions or trying to be too intense. The concepts are a lot like Jet Lee’s movie Hero just that ‘Sith’ didn’t pull it off.

Another was more of a let down. I knew the final battle would be between Vader and Obi Wan in a volcano pit, mostly how it would go and how it would end. I was really looking forward to a kick arse battle, but that didn’t happen. Yeah, it was good but felt more like flashy lights and pretty background than a solid, well choreographed fight. After leaving the theater, I realized something. All the fights in the first three had dialogue yet there was none in the last three. The best light saber duel is in Empire not just cause of the action but in addition to what’s being said. Yeah its not realistic but helps break up the action and the audience doesn’t know when the next strike will be. Doesn’t Obi want to know why Vader did this, or reason with him or tell not to be jealous cause he arrived with Padme. Bah, a lost opportunity and the result seemed like whirling batons.

Overall Sith is a really good and solid movie. It has a lot more moments that I enjoyed than I could later complain about. To comment on what has been said. On the space vacuum issue, they would more likely be sucked out I think than freeze first and there is still pressure so they wouldn’t explode. However that doesn’t really matter, and I not quite sure which would happen, because that event is a trademark almost literary icon of Sci Fi movies. If Lucas got it wrong, he wasn’t the first and won’t be the last (and I think that’s what the audience expects to happen). Vader doesn’t shed a tear with the younglings because we don’t see his face right after the fight. The tear for the Sepertist was at the end after he’s killed all the innocents (instead of doing it say multiple times) while likely being the best fit into the script. Hey, we all got to be happy there was no Jar Jar. Awesome fight with Grevous. Each movie also seemed to one up themselves in terms how many sabers to give the baddie. The probe droid voices were bad. The ‘Frankin Vader’ could have been handled better. Though at the time it didn’t bother me and he did warp the whole room with the Force. Padme actually isn’t suppose to die, cause Leia remembers her, but I think they handled it well. Its great that there were so many worlds and we Finally got to see Alderan, though the Wookiees did seem just thrown in there but I’m not complaining. Ending the saga with the two setting suns, just like Luke’s scene, was a great way to go. Here’s too hoping the next three under different management are just as good, if not better!

[Sable Phoenix]

Well, just in my opinion, Phantom Menace actually had the best lightsaber duel in all of the Star Wars saga. Darth Maul rocks, of course, while Qui-Gon Jin is unshakeably serene and powerful (probably my favorite Jedi ever), and the young version of Obi-Wan brings a great intensity to the battle. He and Maul duking it out mano-e-mano is the fastest and most intense duel in Star Wars that still maintains a sense of realism. Episodes 4 through 6 used classic kendo as the basis for the duels, so they're solidly grounded in realism, which gives them a certain attractiveness (and they scaled nicely, in my opinion, with each duel getting better in each movie; Empire's was better than ANH, while Jedi's was the best). In Episodes 2 and 3 the duels just got more and more over the top and needlessly flashy, and there were several times where I just said to myself "Oh come on, Force or no Force they would NEVER do that." Obi-Wan and Anakin's duel had the most blatant example of this, the part where they stand there for a couple seconds only feet away from each other, whirling their sabers in huge sweeping arcs before crashing them together. They both had holes in their center defense a mile wide. If one of them had just exercised a little economy of movement and brought one of those needlessly flashy swings in to a sensible guard, the fight would have been over right there.

But this is what comes from knowing too much about swordfighting. Luckily I can let that all go (for the most part) and enjoy the saber dueling for what it is.

[Blackbat]

While we're on the subject of Lightsaber battles, I ran across this fan film of a saber duel that I found highly entertaining.

http://martialarts.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://fxhome.com/cinema/info%5Fcache/movieinfo479.html

[Valcarde]

Here (http://www.starwars.com/clonewars/microseries/chapter/archive.html) is a place you can download the Clone Wars episodes, if anyone's interested.

Only problem being, you can't get them if you're not a Hyperspace member.

[Sable Phoenix]

Hyperspace? You do? Nuts. Sorry about that.

As for the Art of the Saber short, here (http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/fxprojects/artofthesaber/index.asp) is a better place to go if you want to actually download it rather than stream it (which I feel is definitely preferable).

[Sebastian Kain]

Holy Crap!!! That Movie is awesome Sable! :)

[Valcarde]

Hyperspace? You do? Nuts. Sorry about that.

As for the Art of the Saber short, here (http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/fxprojects/artofthesaber/index.asp) is a better place to go if you want to actually download it rather than stream it (which I feel is definitely preferable).

Don't worry about it... I looked for it through.. other channels. Going to get to watch season 1 later today.

As for Art of the Saber: Seen it before, and am still impressed with it.

[Blackbat]

As for the Art of the Saber short, here (http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/fxprojects/artofthesaber/index.asp) is a better place to go if you want to actually download it rather than stream it (which I feel is definitely preferable).

You can actually download it from the original link, just right click and 'Save Target As'.

[Nemesis]

Ok, am I the only one that got the Qui-Gon reference???

Qui-Gon came back using the Force....not back to life, but he was able to return in a "Force form".

It's why Obi Wan tells Darth that "If you strike me down I will only become more powerful" in Episode IV. That's the link and a rather quick way to answer the question on exactly how Obi-Wan is able to appear and help Luke after he's been "killed".....and it also explains why there aren't 1000's of Jedi ghosts running around after they are killed.

As far as the Wookies, Lucas has said that he cut a whole sequence with the Wookies and an entire subplot about Padme' forming the Reble Alliance.....guess we have to wait for the DVD......

Personally, I loved the movie with my only real gripe being how fast Anakin goes from still being mostly Good to being totally Evil. He goes from "what have I done??" to "Yes Master" in 2 seconds and then wipes out the Jedi Temple and the Younglings??? :think:

Up until that point, you could feel it building and it was believable....but in one instant he helps to to kill Mace and goes TOTALLY Dark Side? That's the pivitol moment of the movie and the entire series, and it came up wanting. IMO anyway.

Outside of that, most of the other complaints I've read are really pretty petty. If I wanted "Real Life" I wouldn't be in a Star Wars movie. So you have sound in space....or that you don't die instantly when your spaceship window is blown out......sheesh. If it was trying to be "real" then I would bitch...but it never was or has so get over it. ;)

Could it have been better? Sure....and I wish that Episode I and II were more like the "Clone Wars" cartoons....would have been MUCH better in the long run and explained a lot more backstory, but for what we had it tied everything up rather well.

And it's given me a whole new perspective on Star Wars and the Original Episodes. To me, that's an accomplishment in itself. Especially to someone that saw the original in the theater and grew up as a Star Wars kid......God, I just dated the hell out of myself there....hehe

P.S. Great little movie there Ice. :) And Sable, I totally agree with you about the Saber battles.....there were numerous times in the Obi-Wan/Anakin battle that either could have ended it...however that wouldn't have made such a dramatic showing. If they went for "realism" that fight wouldn't have lasted 2 minutes instead of the 10 or so that it went. And what would be the fun in that? :)

[Graphite]

Personally, I loved the movie with my only real gripe being how fast Anakin goes from still being mostly Good to being totally Evil. He goes from "what have I done??" to "Yes Master" in 2 seconds and then wipes out the Jedi Temple and the Younglings???

Up until that point, you could feel it building and it was believable....but in one instant he helps to to kill Mace and goes TOTALLY Dark Side? That's the pivitol moment of the movie and the entire series, and it came up wanting. IMO anyway.

YES. That was exactly my thinking. It was as if he was pocessed by the Emperor doing a Sith Mind Trick or something.

I'm be sure to check that link when I get home. As far as saber battles, Phantom Menace is the most well done. From start to finish, its action packed and just simply put: well made. Its the only part of the movie I ever watch over and over again. In the classic three, the quality do get better and better. I guess I just like Empire the best cause its a good scene on top of good action. Watching it a second time, you can really tell that Vader was simply testing Lukes skills, able to pwnz him at any moment. I still get chills when they draw their sabers: lukes quick, enthustatic - Vaders slow and deadly. That and the dark back lighting for mood. For what ever reasons, Episodes Two and Three didn't cut the mustard for me.

[Jade_Dragon]

YES. That was exactly my thinking. It was as if he was possessed by the Emperor doing a Sith Mind Trick or something.

Actually, that might be possible...

In episode 6, the Emperor clearly feels Luke's hatred, and seems to be revelling in it, almost to the point of pleasure. It's as if he's feeding off of it. He also becomes angry and strikes out at Luke only after he refuses to kill Vader. It's as if he is aware that Luke has just leaped beyond his grasp, and never will be in range again. His anger is all the more understandable if the trick had worked so perfectly on his father. (And even more understandable if you assume that Luke DID go over to the Dark Side and then CAME BACK! Unthinkable!)

It's possible that once the Emperor gave him that "push" over to the other side, that the transformation really was that complete. There was no going back or questioning his motives. We're not really dealing with a simple matter of psychology here, this is an actual, measurable force (pun intended) which follows its own set of laws. As the saying goes, if you don't control it, it controls you.

This is not to say that the movie might not have played better with the "turned" Anakin showing some remorse for his actions. (I'm just going on reports, here, I haven't seen it yet) In the end, I could just be making excuses for bad writing. But Sci-Fi fans have been doing that for years. :D

[Graphite]

Wow, that was one of the best pieces of large foreign object removal from a dark crevices that I've ever witness! Now me must convert you down the dark path and teach you the art of Technobabble!

[Jade_Dragon]

Wow, that was one of the best pieces of large foreign object removal from a dark crevices that I've ever witness! Now me must convert you down the dark path and teach you the art of Technobabble!

I learned my Technobabble from Star Trek. The ORIGINAL Star Trek. So no need to teach me.... :D

[Meltman]

Ok, am I the only one that got the Qui-Gon reference???

Qui-Gon came back using the Force....not back to life, but he was able to return in a "Force form".

It's why Obi Wan tells Darth that "If you strike me down I will only become more powerful" in Episode IV. That's the link and a rather quick way to answer the question on exactly how Obi-Wan is able to appear and help Luke after he's been "killed".....and it also explains why there aren't 1000's of Jedi ghosts running around after they are killed.



No, when I saw it I thought. "Well, that's how he explains the whole blue ghost thing."

[WingedAvenger]

When Yoda takes off there is wookie dialogue, wtf are they saying? No subtitles, if you're going to have a minute of dialogue nobody understands except seals, have subtitles, we don't speak Wookie.

R2 says something to 3PO, who responds, "He has been under a lot of stress", again, wtf did R2 say? I don't speak droid, and AM makes a terrible protocol droid so he couldn't interpret.Have you not seen any of the original movies? Han Solo holds entire one-sided conversations with Chewbacca with no subtitles. So does C-3P0 and R2-D2, as well as Lando Calrissian and that sullustan pilot whose name escapes me. And it all works just fine. This is a classic Star Wars-ism.


Another thing that bugged me was the faulty introduction of "main" characters". You don't understand the importance of Dooku and Grivous if you haven't read all pre-Ep3 comics, books and seen Clone Wars. Nobody informs you that Grivous is a kick-ass ex-warrior lizardman who killed 47 Jedis all by himself in some book. That he was turned into a cyborg by Dooku. All that stuff, that luckily a SW-fanatic friend told me before the movie.I've never read any Star Wars comics, nor have I seen Clone Wars, and I understood them just fine. Dooku was introduced in Ep2, and Grevious was introduced in the opening exposition. Sure I wondered by a droid would be coughing, and then I saw he was toting around biological organs. Seemed logical to me that he was some kind of cyborg.

[Joe Schmoe]

Ok, am I the only one that got the Qui-Gon reference???

Qui-Gon came back using the Force....not back to life, but he was able to return in a "Force form".

It's why Obi Wan tells Darth that "If you strike me down I will only become more powerful" in Episode IV. That's the link and a rather quick way to answer the question on exactly how Obi-Wan is able to appear and help Luke after he's been "killed".....and it also explains why there aren't 1000's of Jedi ghosts running around after they are killed.

Ahhhhhh! Thank you Nemesis, I totally didn't get the point of the reference.

[Tsarmina]

:chuckle:
Sooo funny! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/Tsarmiina/Misc%20Chars/VGCatsEPIII.jpg) :D

[Poison]

Haha, and so true. :lol: