USS Commission Piece Part 3 (Poll)

[Silentkilla866]

Okay..

Please vote in this poll what do you think the USS should do as a group in terms of getting a commission group piece done by the two artist we have chosen.

The poll will be up for about a week (starting today) and please keep all extra chatter and bickering or whatever the hell you call it out of it.

If you want to be included in the piece and you are willing to pay your share, please vote and express why you chose who you chose.

Apparently some folks will get their feelings hurt because they ulimately can't have they way and I'm frankly not going to care either..

That's the way it works..majority rules.

If you are not in the USS, please do not vote in our poll. Thanks.

Make sure you take all things into account about some of us that want to be in the picture, but may not have all the means necessary to afford either of the artists. Also if you are these persons, please take in account those of us that do have the means to afford them and don't make us suffer because you can't.

Nothing personal at all..

I also realized I'm not going to do what I thought about doing..it's not worth it to me.

So let the voting begin..

- SK
:sk:

NOTE: I will look into talking with both artist about getting just a black and white picture done, hoping to not only shave the price down but get our own resident colorist to color it for us. Hopefully it won't be a super issue, but people can be anal about their works of art..

Here are the Pros and Cons of both as I see it..

MMOArt

Pros

Every member gets a large (11x17) group drawing and a color deck of trading cards
Top Quality artwork and color (subjective)

Cons

Long wait time for product with very few previews
High price (subjective)

Guild Helper

Pros

High res electronic version of the artwork
Individual pencils of each character (upgradable to color and detail BG)
Avatar of each character
Costumer input through every stage of production
Quick delivery

Cons

$10 extra for a personal drawing of group
Lesser Quality Artwork (subjective)

[Meltman]

I vote for Guild Helper because of the price. (And you can look elsewhere if you need more specific reasons.)

HOWEVER, if it comes down to GH wanting to do the colors and Gill being okay with T!M doing them and he reduces the price because of this, then I'd rather go with Gill, because I love T!M's colors. (Though I'd hope T!M leaves the inks in because I like the inks of both Guild Helper and MMOArt.)

[Grae Knight]

I chose Guild Helper. Not that I don't like Gill's stuff...I love it! It is just the price is more in the range of alot of the members and I don't have anything done by GH myself and would love to have one.

[suburbanhell]

Gill. You hands down get more for your buck, and it's worth the price.

[Meltman]

SK, are you going to vote?

[Silentkilla866]

SK, are you going to vote?

At the end of the poll...

And if you voted, please state why...you know who you are..

[Meltman]

At the end of the poll...

And if you voted, please state why...you know who you are..

Ok, as long as you vote eventually, I mean, it's your poll.

[Bitter Babe]

I picked Gil. Although I thought the Gwen Snow art rocks I just think for Gil's price we get more. I would be able to get my own poster that I would bring to have custom framed, I dont see that option with Guild Helper. Also, we don't have a set price with Guild Helper. Depending on background it would cost a minimum of $300, but anything over 5 characters would cost extra, how much extra? I'd be willing to pitch in for other members if necessary.

[suburbanhell]

Plus we each get our own trading cards so we'll all have both the team shot and individual pieces of each of us. And every one of us gets that with Gill, it's unclear with GH whether or not EVERYONE gets a full color poster of the SG, let alone the extras that Gill includes in the price. Not to mention the absolutely superior quality. If I'm gonna spend money on this I say we go for the gold and get the absolute best.

[Yin]

I haven't voted yet.

The only reason we know what Gill's includes is because we asked. No one asked Guild Helper. So I think some further researching is required. I'm going to fish around on his site tonight and get an email or something.

[Bitter Babe]

True no one has asked. There is a link to asking for a quote on their site. I am just unsure what they do since Gil puts exactly what you will be receiving on the site and unfortunately they do not.

[Grae Knight]

True no one has asked. There is a link to asking for a quote on their site. I am just unsure what they do since Gil puts exactly what you will be receiving on the site and unfortunately they do not.

This may help. This is the e-mail I received after ordering Gwendolyn Snow's piece.

Thank you for your order placement for a guildhelper artwork. Before we begin, I like to inform of you of the artwork process that we use here.

First, the most important step..we will communicate with you via email about the type of pose, details and such that you are looking for. we will need large screenshots in bright areas..Details like what she is wearing (ie her bikini top, her figure-skinny? model figure? atheletic? get descriptive..her facial expression..her powers..etc let us know..) We want to capture the essence and personality of the character

Second, guildhelper requires a 50% deposit before any work is to start.

Next, a few pose sketches will be emailed to you for your selection. We'll keep doing this until you find one thats perfect. If you have a certain pose in mind, let us know.

Once the pose is selected, we'll start with the more detailed penciling..We'll email it to you when its done..modification is still available at this point..

Once the detailed penciling is finalized, no more structural modification will take place since inking starts..so when you give us the ok, we will start inking..and coloring shortly after..

At this late stage, we can modify the colors and the shadowing only. Keep in mind that shadowing/light can change the tone or the mood of a picture so we will modify the color until the tone and perfect is acceptable.

Once the artwork is done, we will request the remaining balance and send your print to your address. A high rez file along with all the progression of the art will also be emailed to you..and a hosted avatar of your character if requested..

[G-Nome]

I voted for Gil, had to be honest, thats just what I prefer. IMO much better quality and value, I agree is not cheap, thats why I want to do it, a solo would be impossible but as a group the price is better. Also, as I said, I am willing to help, but is limited, so for what is worth.

[Tarberetta]

I don't know either of them, so I don't care either way.

[suburbanhell]

This may help. This is the e-mail I received after ordering Gwendolyn Snow's piece.

Gives us some details but doesn't really quote us a price on a 12(?) person group.

[Yin]

I emailed him. Nothing back yet. At this point I'm still in a jam. I want to go with Guild Helper due to the low price, but I also want to go with Gill due to how much we actually get.

[Silentkilla866]

Those who voted. Please tell us why you voted the way you did.

I'm not going to ask again...

[Yin]

Do it NOW!

Don't make me use big, bolded, red font again.

[suburbanhell]

:yoy: Uh I already have been rather outspoken on this issue...

[T!M]

I voted for GH, truth be told Gill ownz. Probably the best artist I've seen and he's up there with my personal favorites like Jim Lee and Michael Turner. But I just can't afford the price that goes a long with his works.

[Silentkilla866]

:yoy: Uh I already have been rather outspoken on this issue...

Then evidently it isn't directed at you.

[IamLink]

I voted for GH mainly because that's what I could afford to pay for. I've managed to make 100 bucks this week so I'll have enough for it and a little left over.

[Cryogentic]

I have no idea lol

[Stan Walker]

I voted for Gill.. no big reason I could have just as easily voted for GH..im not picky either way just want a picture of the group together..i think they are both very talented artists and think either would do a fine job. Point was i have to vote so luck of the draw it was Gill.

[Xanatos]

-1 from Gill Bates.

I'm sorry. I think I have OCD to vote in online polls or something.

[Gaia]

I can't decide, really. If I look at it from a financial point I would go with GH (like that pic of Gwen Snow!). But from a collector's stand point I would go with GB due to the amount of items. Need to think a little more on this. . .

[Silentkilla866]

-1 from Gill Bates.

I'm sorry. I think I have OCD to vote in online polls or something.

....*Sends the Agents after Xanatos..*

[Grae Knight]

This is an e-mail I recieved from Guild Helper this morning. I think they really want our business :)
after much discussion, we've decided to make our guild portrait more enticingas part of our promotional special..
so hear me out..

Guild portrait will cost around total $450 for about 10 members.
We will include the guildhelper starter kit FREE ($20 value)
We will include the guildhelper uber team player guide FREE ($20 value)
You will receive one poster for this deal, each additional poster is $10.
You will received hosted avatars of each member based on teh artwork FREE
As an super added bonus, all members involved will get their own personalized penciled single character artwork with no background FREE. (a $50 value for each member FREE) with the option for upgrade.

I dont think this deal can be easily beaten..
But we want to please our clients and be an asset to all guilds.
Thanks..

Dave
guildhelper.com

[Meltman]

...free single character pencil? :drools:

[suburbanhell]

-1 from Gill Bates.

I'm sorry. I think I have OCD to vote in online polls or something.

:lmao:

[suburbanhell]

We will include the guildhelper starter kit FREE ($20 value)
We will include the guildhelper uber team player guide FREE ($20 value)
You will receive one poster for this deal, each additional poster is $10.
You will received hosted avatars of each member based on teh artwork FREE
As an super added bonus, all members involved will get their own personalized penciled single character artwork with no background FREE. (a $50 value for each member FREE) with the option for upgrade.


So I'm taking from this:
1)What's a guildhelper starter kit / guildhelper uber team player guide?

2)ONLY ONE POSTER is given for GH, Gill gives posters for EVERYONE, but oooh we all get pencil sketches of our characters...

Full color poster and trading cards for all vs poster for one guy and pencil sketches for the rest of us? :eyebrow:

Eff that, Gill definitely FTW. Just not interested in a "guildhelper starter kit" when I don't use their website for guildhelpering in the first place, we discuss our matters here and we'll be tracking the z-game stuff on guildportal...

[G-Nome]

This is an e-mail I recieved from Guild Helper this morning. I think they really want our business :)

Well, I hate to do this but in lieu of this information I have to change my vote. I vote for GP now :shinner: Its just too good of a deal, we all get in #1, we all can get posters # 2, just 10 dollars more. Plus, we can all get an individual character Picture, with the option of upgrading it #3. Oh and we can all afford this one right? I want to see us all in it!

Maybe some of us can still do Gill later if we want. But this now looks like the better alternative for the team. About what, $ 45 per person?

Question is, where do I get the action figures now? :D

[suburbanhell]

Question is, where do I get the action figures now? :D


Now THAT would be cool. :D Let me know if you find a place that does that, very interested in having Major Obvious done up.

[Meltman]

Well, I hate to do this but in lieu of this information I have to change my vote. I vote for GP now :shinner: Its just too good of a deal, we all get in #1, we all can get posters # 2, just 10 dollars more. Plus, we can all get an individual character Picture, with the option of upgrading it #3. Oh and we can all afford this one right? I want to see us all in it!

Maybe some of us can still do Gill later if we want. But this now looks like the better alternative for the team. About what, $ 45 per person?

Ok, so, just to try and keep organized...

Without Xan's vote and changing G-Nome's, it would be 5-5 even, right?

[Grae Knight]

Now THAT would be cool. :D Let me know if you find a place that does that, very interested in having Major Obvious done up.

I already know someone who does action figures and sculptures. I am looking at getting Grae Knight done. He also makes hero clix with the stats to be used for the game.

Also, I am not trying to sway any votes. I am cool with either artist, just relaying the information as I receive it.

[G-Nome]

So I'm taking from this:
1)What's a guildhelper starter kit / guildhelper uber team player guide?

2)ONLY ONE POSTER is given for GH, Gill gives posters for EVERYONE, but oooh we all get pencil sketches of our characters...

Full color poster and trading cards for all vs poster for one guy and pencil sketches for the rest of us? :eyebrow:

Eff that, Gill definitely FTW. Just not interested in a "guildhelper starter kit" when I don't use their website for guildhelpering in the first place, we discuss our matters here and we'll be tracking the z-game stuff on guildportal...

Agree, those extras don't really do anything for me, but;

Gill, is what? $75 Per person, and you get Poster and Card.

GP, is what? $45 Per Person, Plus $10 if you want poster = $ 55, and you get Poster, Individual Art that you can upgrade ( I intend to )

Again, all members can do this one, and i'll be willing to help out with the extra $10 for some people if need be so we can all get our posters.

[G-Nome]

I already know someone who does action figures and sculptures. I am looking at getting Grae Knight done. He also makes hero clix with the stats to be used for the game.

Also, I am not trying to sway any votes. I am cool with either artist, just relaying the information as I receive it.

OMG! Get me the info buddy, that would be awesome. How much does he charge? Any example pics? Give me, give me, give me?!

[suburbanhell]

Agree, those extras don't really do anything for me, but;

Gill, is what? $75 Per person, and you get Poster and Card.

GP, is what? $45 Per Person, Plus $10 if you want poster = $ 55, and you get Poster, Individual Art that you can upgrade ( I intend to )

Nay. With Gill you get a full color poster and a deck of trading cards, not just one card.

GH is going to be 10 dollars MORE per person if you want the poster, so if you're gonna spend 55 bucks, you may as well spend 75 bucks and get far better quality out of it

[IamLink]

...this information would have been useful BEFORE we started the poll...*tries to change vote*

[Silentkilla866]

Votes are 5 to 4 in favor of Guild Helper right now. I can only hack the poll so much.

[Grae Knight]

...this information would have been useful BEFORE we started the poll...*tries to change vote*

Sorry. I just got the info this morning from GH.

[IamLink]

*blushes* and I misread that...I thought that deal was for Gill Bates. *falls over* SK....can you switch me back...=(

Yeah...I'm retarded, I know... :(

[Grae Knight]

Here are the Pros and Cons of both as I see it..

MMOArt

Pros

Every member gets a large (11x17) group drawing and a color deck of trading cards
Top Quality artwork and color (subjective)

Cons

Long wait time for product with very few previews
High price (subjective)

Guild Helper

Pros

High res electronic version of the artwork
Individual pencils of each character (upgradable to color and detail BG)
Avatar of each character
Costumer input through every stage of production
Quick delivery

Cons

$10 extra for a personal drawing of group
Lesser Quality Artwork (subjective)

[Silentkilla866]

*blushes* and I misread that...I thought that deal was for Gill Bates. *falls over* SK....can you switch me back...=(

Yeah...I'm retarded, I know... :(

HAXXORS.

[suburbanhell]

Here are the Pros and Cons of both as I see it..

MMOArt

Pros

Every member gets a large (11x17) group drawing and a color deck of trading cards
Top Quality artwork and color (subjective)

Cons

Long wait time for product with very few previews
High price (subjective)

Guild Helper

Pros

High res electronic version of the artwork
Individual pencils of each character (upgradable to color and detail BG)
Avatar of each character
Costumer input through every stage of production
Quick delivery

Cons

$10 extra for a personal drawing of group
Lesser Quality Artwork (subjective)

Keep in mind that with the trading cards and a scanner we can all make our own Avatars of MMOArt's...and for those of you who don't have a scanner I'd be willing to accomodate since it's highly likely I'll scan all the trading cards in anyway :)

[Grae Knight]

In no way am I pushing one over the other. I just wanted to give everyone a clear outlook. The PK has almost 2 grand in commissions with MMOArt so there is no doubt that I love his work. I also have several with Guild Helper. Both are excellent artist and we will be happy with the product either avenue we choose.

[Bitter Babe]

Well those are your pros and cons, someone else could see it a totally different way.

[G-Nome]

Man I just checked out the lates work over at MMOART, and again his stuff is just amazing. I really wish we could all go that route. I'm still voting GP for the sake of the team, so we can have Max participation, but if it was just for me I would go Gill hands down.

I just wish this didn't have to be such a painful process, all hail democracy! Thats why one day I'll be dictator of my very own Caribbean Island. How old is Fidel again?

[Yin]

I just have one question before I vote.

If Guild Helper wins, if those who voted for Gill, will you bail out? And vise versa for those if Gill wins. Because if that's the case then there's no point in us even doing this.

[Bitter Babe]

I'm not going to bail. If Gill isn't chosen I'll probably save up some cash and have him do my own personal piece. I just want everyone to do what is best for them and base their decision not what I think or you think (just using you as an example cause I'm replying to you)

[Gaia]

I won't bail either way. "How much is that going to cost?" *slorp!* <movie guy voice> "An arm and a leg. "I can deal." ;)

[G-Nome]

I just have one question before I vote.

If Guild Helper wins, if those who voted for Gill, will you bail out? And vise versa for those if Gill wins. Because if that's the case then there's no point in us even doing this.

Im in either way, I just want as many of us to be in the picture. Im with AA, I'll save me some money and do my own Gill if need be later. Its all good!

[Yin]

It's a hard decision. Really, it is. But you know what?

I think I'll have to go with G...................God. I'm going with God on my decision. :D No, but seriously, I think I'm going to go with Gill. After comparing the pros and cons (of my own opinions, of course), I really think we'll get a better deal with Gill. Yeah. Its pricey, but we get so much more. And even INDIVIDUAL character art. Trading cards at that. So yeah. I'm going to go with Gill.

Melty, forgive me.

[Dr Jack Wolfe]

OK, I chose Gil, but did I look at the right samples. The money's not an issue I have 11x17 of Jack in game that I had converted into a poster.

[Meltman]

I just have one question before I vote.

If Guild Helper wins, if those who voted for Gill, will you bail out? And vise versa for those if Gill wins. Because if that's the case then there's no point in us even doing this.

Sorry I didn't see this. But as I've stated multiple times, if you choose Gill and the price stays at what it is, I will not do it. I'd rather this not sway anyone's vote however.

[Grae Knight]

Sorry I didn't see this. But as I've stated multiple times, if you choose Gill and the price stays at what it is, I will not do it. I'd rather this not sway anyone's vote however.

Awww, Melt diggity dog, you gotta be in it. Is it a money thing or just don't care for the art?

[Meltman]

Awww, Melt diggity dog, you gotta be in it. Is it a money thing or just don't care for the art?


I didn't think I would have to explain this again...but:

Who's arguing? I just said that I don't want in if it's going to be 900. This has nothing to do with how much I have, this has to do with how much I think it's worth. I love Gill's art, but the reason I haven't ever commissioned from him is because I think he overcharges.

Oh, and for the record: I don't want any trading cards. So trying to convince me otherwise with that argument will not work.

[Meltman]

So...I did some digging on exactly what these cards were...

Hello Meltman,



The group trading cards resemble most comic book or sports trading/collector cards. They’re about 2.5” x 3.5” in size, and are professionally printed on gloss card stock. On the front is a design layout that features artwork of an individual group member, and that member’s name. And on the back is that member’s profile. So each group member will have their own card of just their character, as well as a poster of the group shot.



The art of the member on the front actually will come straight from the group shot. With group orders, although the group design is laid out initially, each member is created individually. This allows for more flexibility in the placement of each member in the group shot, and it also allows for future member additions to the same group shot.



If you have any other questions, please don’t hesitate. J



Thanks,

Nakiesha Kindred

MMOART.com

[Bitter Babe]

The card still sounds cool to me. Too bad it's not one of all the members. But my vote still stands.

[Silentkilla866]

So I didn't make the poll before it closed..

But that's alright..

A Few things.. I don't really care about any of the extra stuff that both guys are offering..(The Trading Cards/Avatars) to me that's just more stuff I have to find somewhere to put..

In a perfect world, I would love to have it penciled and then T!M does the final coloring. But I don't know how thrilled the artists would be about that, since it's their business.

I'm voting for Gil, because I think I'll appreciate it more in the long run. I'm a pretty patient person and I'm not in a rush to get anything.

So it looks like Gil Bates is the winner.

[Silentkilla866]

For the sake of clarification..

Team Foto..

SK - Captain Omniburner
Bitterbabe - Anglican Avenger
Burby - Novastryke
Gaia - Twilight Avenger
Grae Knight - Coyote Storm
G-Nome - Dutch Clutch
Yin - Golden Streak
Dr. Jack Wolfe - Eryana
Stan Walker - Mitheria
Cryogentic - Sonic Harpy
Iamlink - Ahn Quan
Tophat - Offbeat
Bronze Turk - Plasmawisp
T!M - Justice Prime
Joeschmoe - Psiounara
Tarby - Cool Magenta

Based on who voted and said what..

Is this correct?

Question marks mean that I'm not sure if you are bailing out or not..Depending on since some of the others said they will pitch in more to split the cost for those that have tight wallets.

We have roughly 12 characters..

[T!M]

The (?) is right with me.

[IamLink]

As with me. I probably won't be able to pay my share in full, but I'll see how much I can send.

[Cryogentic]

Joe showed interest in doing it also

[Tarberetta]

I'd like to do this with Magenta also, but money is tight right now

..but I will try :tarby:

[Joe Schmoe]

Yeah, I'm going to try to fork some money over for this. :)

[Dr Jack Wolfe]

Yep no problem with some cash

[IamLink]

I've managed to make some more money and after lunch I have about $150 bucks in my pocket at the moment. Hopefully that should take care of it.

[Plasma Wisp]

I'd totally contribute now that I have an income of sorts. Besides, every 'JLA' needs their 'Dr. Fate'.

[Grae Knight]

We still doing this? Gill has reopened taking orders as of the 17th.

[Bitter Babe]

I'm still in

[Gaia]

Still in too. Scrounging funds

[Grae Knight]

Someone needs to get the ball rolling.

[Grae Knight]

Dead ball...

[Plasma Wisp]

Seriously.

[Silentkilla866]

Sorry, I'll email him tonight.

[T!M]

Can't aford it. Sorry guys. Was able to at the time but with Gill's payment coming up just can't do it.

[Silentkilla866]

Well his list was closed again, I can still send him the email. But this gives others a chance to post their pictures. Like PW.

[Yin]

Yeah. Didn't think it was going to cost this much to live in an apartment. We've spent close to $500 already. Kind of need this money for other things. Perhaps later on in the year because I'll have a job on campus, but as of right now I'm not going to be able to do this. Not until at least October-ish.

[IamLink]

My funds have dried up. I have 9 dollars in my pocket and with us moving, I don't see any way for me to be able to pay for this. =/

[Silentkilla866]

Let's just give ourselves another time-table to do this..

I was never in a hurry anyway. We'll just also have to pay more attention to his site.

So I'm asking the rest of you to help me out here.

Thanks. :)

[Grae Knight]

I got a drawing in the works for Coyote already so whenever you all want to do this is fine.

[Bitter Babe]

I'm in no rush either. It'll get done when it'll get done.

[Grae Knight]

Wanted to give you all an idea of what we are looking at from Gill since I don't believe any of us have seen a group piece by him as of yet. This is strictly a work in progress and the numbers are to help us find our characters and will not be on the final version.

PK (WIP) (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/twr0525/Artwork/pk-rough.jpg)

[Plasma Wisp]

I'm on it. I just, don't have cool shots of him yet. (He's been in PUG mode since lvl 6)

[Gaia]

I know this will not be happening anytime soon but I'm going to have to pull out. Go to Guru poster thread to see reasons if you want to know. I'm sorry :(

[G-Nome]

By the time we do this, if we do it at all, things might be diferent GAIA, so don't give up hope yet.

[Silentkilla866]

I want to do it, but I dont' see it happening anytime soon.. (since we have the Guru poster thing going too)

Perhaps we should rethink it over again anyway..

I think I might commission something my own to share with the collective.

But that'll take time. :)

[Grae Knight]

As you all know, I went ahead and commissioned GH myself for Coyote Storm, but I am more than willing to jump on board for a group piece at a later date.

[Cryogentic]

I'm still up for this with Sonic :)

[Bitter Babe]

Stilll up for this with Anglican and Nova of course.

[Yin]

Heh. After this Guru piece I need until at least December to scrap up some more cash.

[Tarberetta]

I should be able to with Magenta

[Stan Walker]

i still want in but like Yin i may have to wait a little after the current piece being commissioned

[TopHat]

Same as Yin and Stan - I already stretched myself with the Guru piece.

[G-Nome]

Like SK said, I don't think this will be done anytime soon, so I think we are good. I hope we just get to do it eventually.

[Grae Knight]

I just hope we can play together again some day

[Silentkilla866]

I just hope we can play together again some day

You prolly should go talk about that in the USS Day thread. :)