Statesman Speaks!

[Yin]

Taken from here. (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=shibboleth&Number=4504174&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

First...I confirm that we're working on right now (as in pohsyb in the next room) to add CoV costume parts into CoH if you own both games....

Then we repeal the hated stealth nerf. The reason why: many well reasoned posts. It's that simple. You guys pointed out the problems.

AND now...we're changing the way Archvillains spawn. A ton of forum goers disliked adding so many AV's into missions a while back...so we've come up with a solution. If the team size and mission difficulty are ABOVE a certain level, an Archvillain spawns. Below that, players will face only an Elite Boss. If the mission is set on the first two levels of difficulty, it takes 4 heroes or more to spawn an Arch Villain. On the third level, 3 heroes or more. On the fourth level, 2 heroes. On the highest (Invincible), a solo hero will spawn an AV. Note this works in BOTH City of Heroes and Villains.

In order to incentivize larger teams, Positron is going to add a bonus to AV rewards!


Yep. CoV will be in my hands shortly if that's the case.

[Remianen]

What's funny to me is how that one post set all the fanboi/fangurl types on fire. They're fellating the devs in text! :lol:

Good changes, no doubt. But these folks have the memory of an NFL cornerback, without the need for it that they have.

*shrug*

[Plasma Wisp]

I like the idea, since some people want trench coats.

like our very own Michael Chiklis, Stan Walker!

[suburbanhell]

AND now...we're changing the way Archvillains spawn. A ton of forum goers disliked adding so many AV's into missions a while back...so we've come up with a solution. If the team size and mission difficulty are ABOVE a certain level, an Archvillain spawns. Below that, players will face only an Elite Boss. If the mission is set on the first two levels of difficulty, it takes 4 heroes or more to spawn an Arch Villain. On the third level, 3 heroes or more. On the fourth level, 2 heroes. On the highest (Invincible), a solo hero will spawn an AV. Note this works in BOTH City of Heroes and Villains.

In order to incentivize larger teams, Positron is going to add a bonus to AV rewards!

So...a team of 8 in Posi will face an AV Version of Cortex...but a team of 4 in Infernal will face an Elite Boss? Kind of cool for Posi but...kind of bites for doing AV Missions if you ask me. I like the challenge of taking on AVs in the 40s and now if I can't find a huge team they'll only be EBs? :grumble:

[Astartus]

Maybe I can finally do the "Agent" badge Portal mission alone.....

[Grae Knight]

So...a team of 8 in Posi will face an AV Version of Cortex...but a team of 4 in Infernal will face an Elite Boss? Kind of cool for Posi but...kind of bites for doing AV Missions if you ask me. I like the challenge of taking on AVs in the 40s and now if I can't find a huge team they'll only be EBs? :grumble:

I agree Burb. The Praetorian Missions should ALWAYS be AVs. None of this Elite Boss BS. If you have gotten to 40, it is time to learn to form teams and take down the AVs. I tell people in every AV mission I do and people die 2 or 3 times, "It is an AV, not meant to be easy." The other stuff rocks though.

Of course with additional thought, I always go into AV missions set to invincible with 8 person teams for max XP and challenge.

[suburbanhell]

Exactly, I mean what's the point of being a SUPER hero if you don't have any SUPER villains to face.... Elite bosses? PFF that's like all of Spiderman's arch nemesis being at the caliber of say.. The Vulture, some aging old fart with wings. Wooo.

[bpphantom]

Maybe I can finally do the "Agent" badge Portal mission alone.....

Why? Grab 5 or 6 of us and let's have at him! :D

[Lady Digitalis]

*Does a happy dance and crosses her fingers for a lace cape and the fishnets that disappeared from CoH* Oo! and pinstriped tights...and baroque and *flushes almost passing out* Wow...the vapors, I better sit down.

Sorry bout that...the costumes, guess it's s chick thing.

[Masked Revenger]

Yep. CoV will be in my hands shortly if that's the case.

Thresh, I picked it up the other day at Best Buy for $29.99. You might want to check that out. :)

Chris

[Yin]

Woo! Thanks for that, MR!

[WingedAvenger]

So...a team of 8 in Posi will face an AV Version of Cortex...but a team of 4 in Infernal will face an Elite Boss? Kind of cool for Posi but...kind of bites for doing AV Missions if you ask me. I like the challenge of taking on AVs in the 40s and now if I can't find a huge team they'll only be EBs? :grumble:

Positron added a bit of clarification in the thread:
Just to calrify: The Archvillain thing is ONLY for Mission AV's, Archvillains in Task Forces/Strike Forces and World Spawns will not be changed.

In City of Villains, Archvillain-class enemies are called "Heroes" and this change applies to them as well. (With the exception of Strike Forces and World Spawns of course).Scratch that. It's "calrification". :p

[Masked Revenger]

So, this applies to the mish with Dr. Vazh? The only way to solo him now is if you're setting is on the highest difficulty? Am I understand that right?

Chris

[Remianen]

Woo! Thanks for that, MR!

Yin, just checked and it's $29.99 at Target and Gamestop too. I'll swing by EBGames and see what they're asking (don't think the merging of their databases has been completed yet) as well as Wal-Mart and Circuit City.

Gotta love NY malls :p

[Masked Revenger]

Yin, just checked and it's $29.99 at Target and Gamestop too. I'll swing by EBGames and see what they're asking (don't think the merging of their databases has been completed yet) as well as Wal-Mart and Circuit City.


Wal-Mart and Target here were selling it for the standard $49.99, and EB didn't have it in stock when I checked. That's why I was so jazzed that Best Buy had it for so cheep. :)

Chris

[Jade_Dragon]

Well, looks like Alan Midnight will finally be getting his trenchcoat -- to match 4L4N M1DN1T3, as it turns out. I may also try out the trenchcoat on Jade Dragon, to see how it looks on him. Although he originally wore a traditional "long underwear" costume, he had evolved into more like street clothes, at least until CoH came out.

The current coat isn't long enough, though. I'm hoping full length coats, not to mention full length skirts for Rachel, are still on the way.

It will also be interesting to try and create Element Dog on the hero side, now that I've settled on making him a villain. He'll have to be yet another "alternate universe" version, though, because I've decided to keep Genie Gold, on Freedom. Maybe I'll put him on Infinity. (I have J.D. and Silver Bolt there, but not Blue Diamond)

[Yin]

Yin, just checked and it's $29.99 at Target and Gamestop too. I'll swing by EBGames and see what they're asking (don't think the merging of their databases has been completed yet) as well as Wal-Mart and Circuit City.

Gotta love NY malls :p

Awesome! I'll probably end up getting it this weekend when I return back to school, or whenever I get paid. Waiting on two checks at the moment. :)

[Darknesse]

I agree Burb. The Praetorian Missions should ALWAYS be AVs. None of this Elite Boss BS. If you have gotten to 40, it is time to learn to form teams and take down the AVs. I tell people in every AV mission I do and people die 2 or 3 times, "It is an AV, not meant to be easy." The other stuff rocks though.

Of course with additional thought, I always go into AV missions set to invincible with 8 person teams for max XP and challenge.

Thats absurd. What if you only play later at night or at times when it is difficult to find large well balanced teams for it?

I want to be able to solo any non TF/SF mission if I have to.

You can't tell me "now that you are L 40, now you need to get your butt into teams". That's crap.

[suburbanhell]

I'm just saying AV's should be AV's...lowering them kind of....takes away from the feeling you get when defeating one...it's like taking down Frostfire, big whoop.

[Impact]

Yeah....I'm more a fan of the whole 'superhero needs help to take down a villain stronger than one can handle'......it feels Avengerish you know? At least when you get on a GOOD AV team :chuckle:

[Lady Digitalis]

Thats absurd. What if you only play later at night or at times when it is difficult to find large well balanced teams for it?

I want to be able to solo any non TF/SF mission if I have to.

You can't tell me "now that you are L 40, now you need to get your butt into teams". That's crap.

You don't need a full team to take down an AV. I was on a 4 player team last night (my WS, a scrapper, a def and a troller) the AVs (we took out 3) were all lvl 48 - 49 (Battle Maiden, Mother Mayhem and I don't remember the other) and while we did have some trouble, we were able to do it. The changes may make things a little tougher (isn't a challenge part of the game?) but there will be work arounds - even if they are given over time- there are always work arounds.

[Grae Knight]

I'm just saying AV's should be AV's...lowering them kind of....takes away from the feeling you get when defeating one...it's like taking down Frostfire, big whoop.

Agreed, the most rewarding feeling I get in CoH is taking down AVs. I love a hard fight. If they start making Infernal like Frostfire where is the afterglow? :chuckle:

[Lady Digitalis]

Agreed, the most rewarding feeling I get in CoH is taking down AVs. I love a hard fight. If they start making Infernal like Frostfire where is the afterglow? :chuckle:

Exactly! There goes the aderenaline rush...may as well play scrabble online.

[Jade_Dragon]

Exactly! There goes the aderenaline rush...may as well play scrabble online.

Don't forget, you can always turn up your difficulty. At the highest level, even solo you will get the AV.

[The Widowed]

I was on a 4 player team last night (my WS, a scrapper, a def and a troller) the AVs (we took out 3) were all lvl 48 - 49 (Battle Maiden, Mother Mayhem and I don't remember the other)...
Malaise, perhaps? The last time I checked, Malaise and Mother Mayhem were still two AV's in the same mission. You never forget the first time you aren't expecting to come across an AV within two minutes of entering the mission, you run up some stairs and get mind-blasted from behind for about half of your max Scrappery Health. Thanks for the memories, Malaise. :look:

[Lady Digitalis]

Malaise, perhaps? The last time I checked, Malaise and Mother Mayhem were still two AV's in the same mission. You never forget the first time you aren't expecting to come across an AV within two minutes of entering the mission, you run up some stairs and get mind-blasted from behind for about half of your max Scrappery Health. Thanks for the memories, Malaise. :look:

Actually, I haven't run up against Malaise on my WS yet (not that it's a bad thing, ya know). Mother Mayhem has been the outdoor mish. Btw, I am getting REALLY tired of Battle Maiden! I completely forgot what a ***** she is! Of course, I loathe caves as well...3 more lvls and I can go play against 'tame' baddies again lol.

[Darknesse]

My complaint isn't that its not really possible to solo an AV or anything (anymore.. it used to be doable.. take that Tyrant!), but that I don't want to be forced to team to finish the missions at higher levels. Hopefully there will be a higher level zone with some non mission XP content or something.

[Akamaz]

I'm just saying AV's should be AV's...lowering them kind of....takes away from the feeling you get when defeating one...it's like taking down Frostfire, big whoop.


I'll miss the rush that Me an dark got when we duoed luminary with brutes... cause let's face it, nothing beats the feeling of POWER when 2 of you take down a hero... well aside from soloing a hero...

[bpphantom]

Ah Battle Maiden. I still remember watching someone Confuse her. She dealt with the spawn for us and then we beat her down.

Anyway, the problem with sliding to invinc to get the AV solo is that all the spawns are invinc. And the AV will likely be at least +1 AND and AV. Sure, some builds and players can do that... but it will take for stinking ever unless it's a "Defeat AV" mission.