It occurs to me that...

[BvS]

City of Heroes was never meant to be a PvP game.

The consensus on the prebeta boards, including several statements from Jack on the subject, was that PvP didn't fit into the 'vision' of what the game was supposed to be about. It is unheroic for heroes to fight heroes.

I looked forward to not having to deal with the mindset of those into PvP while playing this new game. I looked forward to seeing my comic hero creations adapted to Cryptic's game system and, in a sense, be brought to life by it.


Fast forward to present day >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I enjoy what I've been able to do in CoH so far. I've adapted my original characters to fit their game system and have generally been successful in having an enjoyable play experience.

I have been paying for the Cryptic developers to work on an aspect of the game that was never meant to be; one that I am uninterested in participating in. ::ssccrreeeeeeech!!!!!::

Why has a portion my account fee been applied to the development of PvP?
"Because Cryptic decided to go ahead and work on an aspect of the game that you aren't interested in; an aspect of the game that, had it been known that it would have been included, might have dissuaded you from preordering the box altogether."

The quandry is that I do enjoy the game. I'd have been thrilled all to heck if the devs had spent their time and effort on the new costume bugs, rather than dividing their time between that part of the game and PvP.

My solution is to stop paying for the game until after PvP is released, so I'm not paying them to work on something I'm not interested in. Further, I'm going to withhold revenue for an additional four months to satisfy my own peace of mind for already paying for the development of PvP.

My account expires May 1. Automatic renewal payment has been cancelled.

I'll still be around here to pester you, but, for anyone who happens to care, this is why I won't be seen ingame until four months after the arena goes live. After that time, I won't have to deal with it.

[Masked Revenger]

Wow.

I think I have to disagree with your reasoning why they implimented PvP. I mean, yeah, PvP between heroes is not anything I'm interested in (and just won't participate in), but I am looking forward to CoV, which I think PvP just needs to be an integral part of. And I'd rather see the Arena (limited hero vs. hero PvP) so that PvP can be worked out live BEFORE CoV comes out.

However, I respect your decision. Good luck to you.

Chris

[BvS]

It's perfectly sound business practice to include PvP. That wasn't the point of the post at all.

[Blue Bolt]

Aww BvS, who will help be beat the snot out of my AVs now? :(

I have the same views on CoH. It's a great way to bring my character to life. But still, there are things in it that I don't agree with and still accept, like a limited costume creator, lack of staffs, and now PVP. Others have claimed it and I agree, I think it's just a way to appease the general public, and they want PVP. Plus like MR said, it's kinda necessary for when CoV comes out. I think of I4 as one huge beta for it. I'm glad they're working so hard to make things fair. I don't mind my money helping to support that, because in the long run it's helping to support CoV.

[Jade_Dragon]

Well, while open PvP was never part of the game concept, there WERE plans for the Arena since even before the game was released. In fact, there were plans to include it WITH release. That got relegated to the back burner, and the fact is, it's taken them a year to implement it. I don't consider that putting undue time and effort into it, on my paycheck.

The truth is, I have yet to play an MMORPG that didn't have at least some form of PvP. And the truth is also, that it has yet to have a direct impact on me. I have never participated in any PvP in any of the games I've played (except for one foray into the E&B Arena, just to see what it was like) and I have never been ganked or forced into PvP. So I don't think the introduction into PvP into CoH is going to change its nature for me, in any significant way.

You are, of course, welcome to spend your money, or refuse to spend it, in the way you choose. However, if you are looking for another MMORPG to change to that does NOT have PvP, you will not have many choices. You would be better off to leave the MMORPG behind completely.

[Al Baron]

A) At least this time your not pissed at this community. :P

B )Sound reasoning for leaving, BvS. Though it's rather quixotic of you. Doesn't make it less respectable, but man. :chuckle:

Though, yeah. You have the right to spend your money as you see fit. Hope you (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000AQS0F/qid=1114740535/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-3828882-8655913?v=glance&s=dvd) find (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/45907/qid=1114740598/sr=53-1/ref=tr_64161/104-3828882-8655913) something (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product_id=b645784a) worthy (http://oryoucanjustsaveit.gov) of that $60 bucks you'll be saving.

[Kinetix]

Well, they made it consensual for a reason, so those you do not want to participate don't have to. You wouldnt want to walk around liek in WoW and get attacked by a L60 *dammit my PSP ran out of battery on me in the middle of a tournament*
I think implementing PVP is perfectly ok. Brings new types of people into the game, Have to do PvE to lvl up still, keeps more people in the game.

[8 Ball]

Having come from WoW I have seen what PvP can do to people..even consentual PvP on the PvE servers seems to bring out the worst in players and makes the enviroment unenjoyable. Grudges begin to form, players seem out to "get" one another...and this was BEFORE they started awarding points for it. Don't get me wrong, PvP does have a place, but when I created my own hero I never envisioned him fighting other heros competively, which is why I doubt I'll be taking part in any arena action. Also..I've has my fill of it from WoW.

My own real problems with PvP emerge when changes are made to AT's & powers for PvP reasons and these bleed over to the PvE realm. That I find intolerable.

[Mahaf]

The truth is, I have yet to play an MMORPG that didn't have at least some form of PvP. And the truth is also, that it has yet to have a direct impact on me. I have never participated in any PvP in any of the games I've played (except for one foray into the E&B Arena, just to see what it was like) and I have never been ganked or forced into PvP. So I don't think the introduction into PvP into CoH is going to change its nature for me, in any significant way.
Actually, the Elude nerf directly effects you. And, this was a PvP nerf, but they carried it over to PvE. There were no complaints about the Perma builds before PvP, but they still insist on nerfing PvE. THAT'S why I agree and think this PvP is extremely stupid, and the time could've been used to make the actual game better, rather than working towards turning this MMOG into an "item-fest" like other MMOGs. But of course, you can't expect a dev team to ever learn fully from mistakes of other dev teams. That's simply too much to ask of them. Well, bring on the Hami-Os. :grr:

[Randomus]

I wouldn't mind PvP if it wasn't effecting PvE so much. But alas.

Well, that's one less old fogey hero in the city for the next while! Wallace will just have to complain on his own.

[Amoeba Man]

I respect you decision to leave for awhile BvS. Hope there's new powersets when you get back in the game.

[Sebastian Kain]

Whos' going to team with me now... :cry:

[suburbanhell]

While I certainly have to agree with your stance, I can't quit the game myself. Maybe if I had accomplished far more than I have I could think of that but for now I will continue to pay for a small portion of something I have no interest in, in hopes that it will not overtake the game itself...if it does, well maybe then I too will leave, but for now, while PvP is limited to the Arena, and I can feel free to fight crime as I please, I think I'll stick around.

[Tsarmina]

My own real problems with PvP emerge when changes are made to AT's & powers for PvP reasons and these bleed over to the PvE realm. That I find intolerable. Agreed.

Ah well, I shall look forward to your return to us Baron. The good news is that you'll have that much more time to work on Crossthreads?!! :write:
:thumbup:
And will Bee be takin' a hiatus from the game as well?

[Malibu Sally]

I respect you decision to leave for awhile BvS. Hope there's new powersets when you get back in the game.

Yikes! AM, your avatar has all manner of odd white spots about it. Here, I took the liberty of cleaning it up a little.

[coldcut]

I still maintain a naive hope that COV will, in fact, be a markedly different style of PvP than what we're currently seeing in the arena.

I've learned to maintain a healthy dose of skepticism, however.

On the PvP affecting PvE, however, I think that's a matter of perspective. When certain powersets are so effective as to completely occlude or eliminate the need for other ATs, that affects game balance in a negative way. Most of the recent changes we've seen coming for awhile now. Are they all good? No, not entirely. But they're trying to reach a point where it's just as viable to play a Mind Controller as it is to play a fire tanker.

Contrary to what people on the main boards think, the developers do listen to what's being said, they just don't immediately respond with a solution.

I tend to think one of the bigger problems isn't actually PvP affecting PvE, it's the strict adherence of the developers to the solo player being able to do everything. I think that is what really kills a lot of the possibilities inherent in this type of game.

[Esbat]

So this would be an oppurtune time for you to hand over Flying Fox to a lady, dammit... she's too hot to be controlled by Baron von Bling! :shinner:

[Malibu Sally]

Yikes! AM, your avatar has all manner of odd white spots about it. Here, I took the liberty of cleaning it up a little.

another sidetrack... Sorry AM, try this one instead. It looks a little better than the last one.

[Amoeba Man]

another sidetrack... Sorry AM, try this one instead. It looks a little better than the last one.
Sweet! With shading even. Thanks Sally. :D

*runs off to change avatart*

[BvS]

Bee'll still be in, sporadically (which will still give me access to the character generation system in case I need a quick sketch of something or a reference shot or two) :)

[Tsarmina]

Bee'll still be in, sporadically (which will still give me access to the character generation system in case I need a quick sketch of something or a reference shot or two) :)
Aha! Then I will still be able to harass you through her! Muahahaha!>:]

Ooh, and AM's avatart looks really good! Nice job Sally. :*

[Jade_Dragon]

I do worry about some of the talk about "PvP is effecting PvE". In many cases I think it's just an excuse to pan a change you don't like.

I'm actually hoping that PvP will get some Power Sets help that need it. The devs seem to be concentrating more on the Sets that are overpowered than the ones that are underpowered. They have to spend so much time fixing exploits before they get out of hand, that they don't have time for the people who are floundering and getting frustrated with the game.

The squeaky wheel may get the grease, but it's the quiet one that will kill you when it falls off the car at 70 MPH.

[BvS]

Just to make everything crystal clear, as I've had to explain to various people ingame today, I'm not seeking any kind of approval or support for my decision; nor am I trying to convince anyone of anything.

I merely made the original post in an effort to explain why I'll not be ingame for a while (tentatively not until I5 hits the test server).

I now return your to your normally scheduled asininity.