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Got
11-11-2005, 03:59 PM
I was late for college today so I decided just to go to the cinema but before I did so I went to get some lunch. It was a relatively nice day so I thought I'd go eat it in George Square (Glasgow's equivalent of Trafalgar Square) which has a massive War memorial at one end. Anyway as I looked up I noticed that a grandfather was holding his grandson's hand and both were staring up at the memorial in what I assume was silent remembrance.

It's not often I'm touched by something (even though that Last Post gets me every time) but that sight sent a shiver up my spine. I've heard the words "At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them." probably every year since birth but when they played through my head when I saw that I fell in to a seeming coma of contemplation - which, by the way, I was rudely awoken from an hour later by Murderball.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that, while I didn't realise or appreciate it when I was younger, those who fought in the hellish conditions of both World Wars did an incredibly important thing for us and it is vital to just take a couple of minutes out and let mind drift to it, especially considering a lot of them didn't have any choice in the matter in the first place.


One of my favourites, by the way:


Dulce Et Decorum Est

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

GAS! Gas! Quick, boys! -- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime. --
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

-Wilfred Owen

Graphite
11-11-2005, 04:11 PM
I'm not always the best with words. So I'll say say it simply, in words close to my heart:

/em salute

iggy880
11-11-2005, 07:13 PM
I am with Graphite, I do not do as well with words, except on sertain (certain?) occasions when they are thought out, or truly meaningful to me. I would like to say that I did have 2 family members in World War II who both luckily made it home alive, and uninjured, and I have no family in the current, or in other previous wars (as far as I know) and while I do not necessarily support this, or any of the recent wars, I feel the /em salute is truly a great showing of respect as many of them did go into combat out of free will, and for noble reasons. So:

/em salute

Dr Jack Wolfe
11-11-2005, 07:16 PM
Considering what today is in the States, this is an appropiate thread.

/e salute

Tarkenchi
11-11-2005, 07:20 PM
My grandpa was a Paratrooper on D-Day, I have all of His old War medals, and awards, and I always wear them in honor for the guys who faught and died on this day.

Valcarde
11-11-2005, 07:25 PM
Rememberence day here in Canada, too.

/em salute

Tsarmina
11-11-2005, 07:38 PM
*bows head*

Masked Revenger
11-11-2005, 07:52 PM
As my wife and my best friend are both Operation Desert Storm vets, I'll add to the growing list:

/em salute

Chris

Druid
11-11-2005, 09:20 PM
I got choked up watching the process of military funerals at Arlington. It was pretty heart wrenching watching the families.

Yellow Wolf
11-11-2005, 11:06 PM
Very nice post, Tog.

Elemento
11-11-2005, 11:45 PM
Yes very poignant poem Got of WW1 I take it.
My father came into a different theater of war one doesn't hear too much about.
Born in Berescie, raised in Dubrovitsa, he was taken from his parents at the age of twelve. Conscripted by the Soviets. If his parents didn't approve they would've been sent to Siberia. Stalin was a mean SOB.
Nobody in the rest of the world knew of his purges back then.

He was placed on a German farm to spy for the Soviets. One of the reasons, Russia was first to Berlin before the rest of the allies.
My dad witnessed the atrocity of the ovens while they were in operation not cold and lifeless. It played havoc in his mind. What we now call post traumatic war syndrome, my dad then had for the rest of his life.

In 1945 at war's end, my dad went to work with the European Red Cross.
Then in 1947 while in Oberrussel, Germany my dad was taken in by the American Army. He served three years with them in a Labor Service Company, earning an American Army discharge for excellent service and points for emigration. Nobody today speaks anything about the service these Labor Service Companies did to restrengthen those war-torn countries.

Occupation then was not what Bush would have us to believe the same in Iraq. Back then the people indigenous to the area were taken to guard the occupied zones.
My dad was even a guard at one of those war crime disembarkment courts where if you were regular German army, you went home. If you were Nazi, you went into another line for trial. People who served in those LSCs weren't treated nice though. They were ridiculed and DP (displaced person) became a bad label.

He emigrated to the states in 1950 out of Hamburg, Germany. My dad was still guarding machinery while coming across aboard the USS Henry Tyler, a freighter. The boat docked in Port Jefferson, NY. Not everyone came through Ellis.
All his life he had his green card and his discharge papers but never took up citizenship papers. All his life he had the PWS.

First job he had here in Milwaukee was 6 months at Patrick Cudahy but couldn't take the slaughter. He then spent 21 yr for the last independent dairy we had as a relief worker. Then finished his life with retiring from PPG Industries.
He died in 1994 at the age of 67 totally in depression with an isolated mind. :(

Tay
11-12-2005, 12:52 AM
/em salute

8 Ball
11-12-2005, 04:51 AM
As someone with a grandfather who is a D-Day Vet, /Silence & /Salute.