Help on my MA/SR build

[Blue Bolt]

Ok guys, I need some help/advice on BB. I took the liberty of taking a snapshot of my powers to let all of you know where I am so far:

http://img170.echo.cx/img170/1200/powers26kz.jpg
As you can see, BB is VERY Super Reflexes heavy. :p I intended for him to be as unhittable as the game allows him to be, so I don't want that changed. Because of this, I also need Stamina 6 slotted. And since SRs don't have any healing powers, I would like as many slots in Health as possible, preferably six. Everything else, like MA or the Superspeed catagory is up for advice or criticism.

Since I couldn't get all of the Speed powers in the picture, I'll list off what I got for that pool. Hasten has one slot with a defense SO, Super speed has 2 slots with running SOs, and Whirlwind has one slot with a knockback SO. None of my inherent powers have extra slots.

One more thing. I just got to 47 last night and I'm wondering what new power to pick. It's either going to be and MA power, like Build Up or Taunt, or and epic, like Conserve Power or Focused Accuracy (FA I'm particularly intrested in since it can be part of my concept build).

Anything you can share is greatly appreciated. :)

[Mahaf]

Like I told ya in-game, FA has a huge endurance drain. But, it eliminates the need for ACC enhancers in your powers. You could probably get by with four-slotting it with two ACC buff enhancers and two endurance reduction enhancers, then replacing the ACC enhancers in your powers with Endurance reductions. This would probably be your best bet, as after taking a closer look at some numbers, it seems that Conserve Power has a LOT longer recharge time than Hasten, making it impossible to perma without Perma-Hasten. And with FA, you have two more slots to put in another power, maybe one or two in Health, or one in another power of your choice.

EDIT- I know I told you stats with some even level SOs earlier today, so here's FA's endurance drain with +3s. With two +3 SO Endurance Reductions, FA drains 0.7 endurance/second. Not that bad, but still not Sprint by any stretch of the imagination. :P

[Gollum_ARG]

Do you really need another slot on SS and swift? i mean SS is already fast enough.
Don't take taunt. Scrapper's taunt are not really that useful. its a wasted power.
Conserve power is an awesome power, but with a huge recharge timer so without perma hasten its kinda meh. still useful tho.
FA is great. endurance heavy? Yes. You'll need to spend some slots there.
A 2 slotted Flurry is the same as a 1 slotted flurry. You can save another enh slot there.

I'm sleepy and i can't think properly. my main is a perma-elude build so i can't really help much. :)

[Blue Bolt]

Ok, got FA. Hoping to dedicate 48 and 49 on slotting it. I'm thinking of taking a slot away from Swift, because It's kinda pointless and I have Quickness to boost my running speed anyway. I'm also gonna take out a slot in Flurry, and possibly Storm Kick. I really only use those attacks to "pass the time" until my heavy-hitting attacks recharge. Plus they both have a chance to disorient, so it's not that bad. So there's a total of 3 extra slots to use. I can put 2 in Health and leave one for maybe Crane Kick.

Darknesse basically told me I was crazy for filling all my slots in Elude with defense SOs :p But really, I can easily replace them with a couple of recharge SOs to make it perma whenever I want, the point was I wanted 6 slots in it like the rest of my defenses :D

[Blackbat]

Darknesse basically told me I was crazy for filling all my slots in Elude with defense SOs :p But really, I can easily replace them with a couple of recharge SOs to make it perma whenever I want, the point was I wanted 6 slots in it like the rest of my defenses :D

Without Perma-Hasten you'll need more than a couple to make Elude perma. With Quickness you can get away with 5 Recharges with a very slight overlap to make Elude perma. Also, with Perma-Hasten and Quickness you can take those 2 extra slots out of Practiced Brawler as it will be perma with only the default slot.

I know you might not really want Perma-Hasten though so all that might be a moot point. Anyway, here is my build at lvl 50. I opted to go without Focused Senses but I 6-slotted Agile instead. Dodge and Lucky are both 5-slotted since I have Focused Fighting and Evasion. I took multiple screenshots so that I could scroll down the Power Pool list.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/BlackBat/CaducussBuild_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/BlackBat/CaducussBuild_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/BlackBat/CaducussBuild_3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/BlackBat/CaducussBuild_4.jpg

[Blue Bolt]

So wait, you're saying that with perma-Hasten it'll take 5 recharges to make Elude perma? Or without?

I was surprised you chose the passive power instead of the toggle for ranged Black, though I can see why. Most of the time you're in melee range with opponents, and if you're comparing damage taken from ranged over damaged taken from melee, I'm thinking the melee damage is going to be greater.

Also, two of those pics are the same, and I was curious if you got Health and how you slotted it.

[Blackbat]

No, with Perma-Hasten and Quickness you only need 4 Recharges to make Elude perma. Sorry for the double screenshots, no I don't have Health. Since I only have Super Speed as a travel power I opted to go with the Swift, Hurdle, Stamina combo.

I have a respec coming up and I plan to take out the extra slots in Super Speed and Swift. I don't know where I'll put them yet. Either in Focused Accuracy or split them up between Lucky and Dodge.

[Xanatos]

Superspeed caps at 1 speed enhancer if swift also has one. (SO that is) You don't need to put anymore slots in them as you will not go faster.

Take the slots out of Elude (5) and health(3) and swift (1) and flurry(1)

Get Thunder Kick. Six slot Thunder Kick, Crane Kick, and Storm Kick. MA is predominantly a single target powerset so i'd focus on those three powers ONLY if you've heavilly using your slots on your secondary. Also 6 slot Dragons tail. If you have any slots left over put them in Eagle's claw or Focus Chi. (Which i reccomend you get)

Don't bother with Focus accuracy - get conserve power instead. The only way focus accuracy is good is if you six slot it, and only then it's marginally better than an SO. You can't afford to waste the slots. But Conserve power will help immensly.

The Defense of your current build is 69.6% to everything. Here is my improved build:

Focused Fighting - 6 slots
Focused sense - 6 slots
Agile - 1 slot
Dodge - 1 slot
[Lucky - 6 slots]
[Evasion - 6 slots]
Weave - 6 slots

You will have 81.8% defense to ranged+melee and 69% defense to AoE. (or you could 6 slot Agile and dodge for 90.6% defense to range+melee - but I was thinking you'd want some slots for your attacks :) )

Alternatively there's this build:
Focused Fighting - 6 slots
Focused sense - 6 slots
Agile - 1 slot
Dodge - 1 slot
[Lucky - 6 slots]
[Evasion - 6 slots]
Weave - 6 slots
Hasten - 1 slot (5 other recharge)
Stealth - 1 slot

You will have 97.05% (over the cap) defense to ranged+melee and 69% defense to AoE. But there will be allot of toggles and very end heavy.

What would i reccomend doing? I dunno - I don't play an SR. But they are being looked at by the devs for positive change.

[inkblaster]

Take this with a grain of salt as I spend respecs faster than an old lady spends her pension in Vegas.

Anyways, definately take focus chi, a buildup and criticals is good stuff.

if you have hasten, I'm not sure why you're taking flurry, except for the speedster archetype style, then ok nevermind.

Take slots out of swift and super speed, especially since you need to use them elsewhere, you'll never compete with a porter's speed anyways :P

Remember, after I4 Elude will not be perma-able, Conserve power isn't perma-able, except maybe with Hami-Os, but if you don't use it like it's perma-able, just use it before every battle, it should be recharged before you know it that way.

Not sure if you care, but the medicine pool has been modified a little, much shorter interrupt time on aid self, just a thought, maybe head down to Cooke's and pick up one of those Crey Medimitters to try out.

my 2 influence.

[Blue Bolt]

Thank you guys for your input, especially Xan, I like seeing those numbers. I don't think I'll be implimenting anything until I4 goes live because like you two said SR will probably be changed by then. Who knows? Maybe they'll put more defence into the passives and toggles, maybe they'll even put enough defence in them that slotting all 6x will put it over the cap *crosses fingers*

I did all the respec TFs and haven't used them yet, so including the recent free respec I have a total of 4 in the bank, meaning I have a lot of breathing room to tinker :D

One more thing, why should I only put 3 in Health? Does it cap at 3?

[Darknesse]

You will have 97.05% (over the cap) defense to ranged+melee and 69% defense to AoE. But there will be allot of toggles and very end heavy.

Huh? one thing. THERE IS NO DEFENSE CAP.... at all.

The only thing is that any mob has a 5% chance to hit no matter what your defense is. If you keep your defense at 97.05, you will be horribly gimped when fighting up and when fighting monsters and stuff.

[Xanatos]

One more thing, why should I only put 3 in Health? Does it cap at 3?

Don't put any in health. You're wasting slots you need to use on attacks. (As your defenses take up so many slots.)

To Darknesse:
No defense cap...yadda yadda yadda...boring minutia and petty debate no-one has time for. Defense doesn't scale. All surplus defense (over 95%) assists when targeting upwards or combating debuffs, etc. Does this need discussing? no. Is it common knowledge? yes.

[Blackbat]

Don't bother with Focus accuracy - get conserve power instead. The only way focus accuracy is good is if you six slot it, and only then it's marginally better than an SO. You can't afford to waste the slots. But Conserve power will help immensly.


What are the ACC numbers on FA? I picked it up at lvl 44 and at lvl 45 I was highly effective at hitting lvl 50 mobs with FA 4 slotted. Now, at lvl 50, I miss once in a blue moon, in fact it's so minor that I fail to notice it. Iv'e taken all the ACC enhancers out of my attacks and replaced them all with damage. I love my FA.

[Xanatos]

Fully slotted I think it's 30%. I might be wrong though.

[Blackbat]

Wow, If I had seen that on paper before hand, I probably wouldn't have gotten it. I think I'll still keep it when I do my I4 respec though, even if my uber ACC is all in my head. ;)

The end cost can hurt though, in my case Conserve Power offsets FA's end cost down to nothing

[Mahaf]

Fully slotted I think it's 30%. I might be wrong though.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the base is 25%. Don't hold me to that, but I'm pretty sure it is. This would make the bonus slotted a LOT higher (something around a 80% or so buff with 4 +3 SOs) when I calculated it with the 25% base. And with two endurance reductions, it's not THAT bad on endurance. It also lets you do more damage, which cuts down on endurance use.

EDIT- That's around 65% accuracy buff with a 25% base and 4 +3 SOs. I made a typo the last time I calculated it, methinks. ;) After more investigation, it seems that I had it 6-slotted with +3 ToHit Buff SOs when I got the around 80% (6-slotted it's 82.44% to be exact). It's pretty unrealistic to slot it that way, though. With two +3 endurance reduction SOs in it, it cuts the endurance cost by about a fourth. I'd split it half/half myself, in slotting. That is, if my base is correct. :p

[Dark AngelHawk]

My best advise to ya BB and everyone else out there no matter what the char is to not listen to anyone about what you should take. Yes, their advise is great(no offense to anyone) and you should think about those as well. What you should do is go on the test server and see what you like, find your own thing.

I have seen way too many people screw their chars to copy someone else's build. My advise just hop on test respec there and see what ya like. Do it over and over till u find whats perfect for you.

That's about the best you can do for your char, if you copy someone's perfect build you may not like it and then be stuck. Just trying to help ya out ;)

Have fun and be unique!! :)

[Darknesse]

To Darknesse:
No defense cap...yadda yadda yadda...boring minutia and petty debate no-one has time for. Defense doesn't scale. All surplus defense (over 95%) assists when targeting upwards or combating debuffs, etc. Does this need discussing? no. Is it common knowledge? yes.

Actually, it just sounded like you were advising him to slot just enought to get to 95% against even cons, rather than building his character to be able to fight +3 and +4s with success.

No offense intended.

[Blue Bolt]

Remember, after I4 Elude will not be perma-able, Conserve power isn't perma-able, except maybe with Hami-Os, but if you don't use it like it's perma-able, just use it before every battle, it should be recharged before you know it that way.

Actually, when I'm fighting an endurance battle I try to wait until my endurance goes down to nothing, then I hit my Conserve Power and that allows my recovery to overcome the end drain (I also do the same for Elude since it now has a recovery boost :P ). I pretty much soloed a red AV last night because I used that strategy. :)

[Extractor]

Actually, when I'm fighting an endurance battle I try to wait until my endurance goes down to nothing, then I hit my Conserve Power and that allows my recovery to overcome the end drain (I also do the same for Elude since it now has a recovery boost :P ). I pretty much soloed a red AV last night because I used that strategy. :)


Wow, good job Blue Bolt! I've retired my lvl 44 sr scrapper since I#4 went live.

Now you said 'pretty much soloed', does that mean you were doing okay until you got owned when Elude dropped?? Just curious.

[RedSwitchblade]

I necro'ed this thread only because I was on google and somehow got here. I want to just remind everyone HOW MUCH the game has changed. Blue Bolt's pre-ED build and talks of Perma Hasten and Perma Elude make me wistful of the old days... but I don't miss them per se.

6 slots in stamina, LOL.

Also looking at his intentions (I want to make him as unhittable as the game will allow) explains why the game got nerfed so much.

Huh? one thing. THERE IS NO DEFENSE CAP.... at all.

The only thing is that any mob has a 5% chance to hit no matter what your defense is. If you keep your defense at 97.05, you will be horribly gimped when fighting up and when fighting monsters and stuff.
So wait, you're saying that with perma-Hasten it'll take 5 recharges to make Elude perma? Or without?

I was surprised you chose the passive power instead of the toggle for ranged Black, though I can see why. Most of the time you're in melee range with opponents, and if you're comparing damage taken from ranged over damaged taken from melee, I'm thinking the melee damage is going to be greater.

Also, two of those pics are the same, and I was curious if you got Health and how you slotted it.
Superspeed caps at 1 speed enhancer if swift also has one. (SO that is) You don't need to put anymore slots in them as you will not go faster.

Take the slots out of Elude (5) and health(3) and swift (1) and flurry(1)

Get Thunder Kick. Six slot Thunder Kick, Crane Kick, and Storm Kick. MA is predominantly a single target powerset so i'd focus on those three powers ONLY if you've heavilly using your slots on your secondary. Also 6 slot Dragons tail. If you have any slots left over put them in Eagle's claw or Focus Chi. (Which i reccomend you get)

Don't bother with Focus accuracy - get conserve power instead. The only way focus accuracy is good is if you six slot it, and only then it's marginally better than an SO. You can't afford to waste the slots. But Conserve power will help immensly.

The Defense of your current build is 69.6% to everything. Here is my improved build:

Focused Fighting - 6 slots
Focused sense - 6 slots
Agile - 1 slot
Dodge - 1 slot
[Lucky - 6 slots]
[Evasion - 6 slots]
Weave - 6 slots

You will have 81.8% defense to ranged+melee and 69% defense to AoE. (or you could 6 slot Agile and dodge for 90.6% defense to range+melee - but I was thinking you'd want some slots for your attacks :) )

Alternatively there's this build:
Focused Fighting - 6 slots
Focused sense - 6 slots
Agile - 1 slot
Dodge - 1 slot
[Lucky - 6 slots]
[Evasion - 6 slots]
Weave - 6 slots
Hasten - 1 slot (5 other recharge)
Stealth - 1 slot

You will have 97.05% (over the cap) defense to ranged+melee and 69% defense to AoE. But there will be allot of toggles and very end heavy.

What would i reccomend doing? I dunno - I don't play an SR. But they are being looked at by the devs for positive change.

You don't see talk like this much anymore.

Also, you'll see a very different Darknesse in 2005 posts, heh.

[Seadevil]

Goddammit Red...

You realize that you just gave Widowed another excuse, right? "Well, Red can do it!"

*facepalm*