City of Villians

[Meltman]

I know there was much discussing of the future of the Order when CoVs hits during our meeting last night, but I had a new idea that I thought of later.

The demon inside of Sebastion can do things without him knowing about it, so why not have the demon form a supervillian group? This group would serve as an insurance policy for the demon, incase something would happen to him or if his plans were delayed, so that someone else would still carry them out. Only the highest up in the villian group would know what the true agenda is, so that we could recruit any type of villian to it, as long as they were evil. What do you think?

[Sebastian Kain]

I really like the idea Melts. And it makes sense, I have nothing creative to add right now..besides the point that I prolly should have been playing Victor Kain a bit more... :(

[suburbanhell]

What's VK's role again?

[IamLink]

To diss President SK with Meltman?

[Sebastian Kain]

What's VK's role again?

To cause chaos within the Order's ranks. Or suppose to be anyway..I really don't like his currently look or power set.

[suburbanhell]

Re-Roll?

[Sebastian Kain]

Re-Roll?

Not sure to reroll him as..(he was a Inv/SS), any suggestions are welcome..

[Stan Walker]

when i think demon i think fire...what about a fire tank?

[Sebastian Kain]

when i think demon i think fire...what about a fire tank?

He's an android though that's passing himself off as a legit human..

[suburbanhell]

Android...personally I would go with a Sonic/Energy Blaster...or is it Energy/Sonic...

However, you'll want him to solo I would suspect sooo....Maybe MA/Regen Scrapper.

[Meltman]

If this thread was a train from New York to Boston, we'd be in L.A. by now...

[Sebastian Kain]

If this thread was a train from New York to Boston, we'd be in L.A. by now...

This thread isn't a real hijack..

[Bari Jon]

Isn't the SWO a mixture of good and evil? We kind of exist between the two realms from what I got from SK. I think having a CoV faction within the SWO makes a lot of sense. You need a little bit of the bad to go with the good, right?

[Meltman]

If we are a mixture of good and evil then we don't NEED a villain group as we already have the evil. If we support a villain group, we pretty much fall all the way on the evil side.

[Sebastian Kain]

Well I really don't know who's evil besides SK's other self and maybe Darknesse's character...

But we aren't good/evil at all..we are the gray area, mostly. We have our own goals and objectives that cannot be confined to just 'good' and 'evil' acts.

[Meltman]

Personally, I see the order as basically, a government. We delve into moral ambiguity, but only to get things done that need to get done. And a government needs law and order to survive, because without it, the government would be unable to control its people (unless of course you rule by fear, and even that doesn't really work for long, as history has shown us).

[Sebastian Kain]

I agree, you can't just rule with fear alone. Well I finally got some time to put together a background. I hope to get it up at least for all of you to see..how I see things. I will also pull ideas from here and there that you've all stated.

[Morcalivan7]

You don't need to be an evil villain to be in Rogue Isles. Actually you could be a Hero Mercenary for all you want. I'd see SWO as an organization that is active in the entire region and not just Paragon City. Lord Recluse rules with Arachnos much like a Regime does. Why couldn't SWO want to replace the Arachnos Regime with their own government as well as in Paragon City? Surely the amount of villains in control is a big enough incentive to change things right? Well anyways, that's how I would go about it, though don't know that much about your group storyline to be honest. Good luck!

For one thing we are the SWO...not NWO...

[Meltman]

Villain
n.
A wicked or evil person; a scoundrel

If you are not evil you are NOT a villain.

[Morcalivan7]

It's a matter of perception.

Some believe giving poeple being eaten alive by flesh eating diseases only 'access' to suicide drugs should be put into prison. While others believe they are relieving suffering by doing nothing more than 'offering' it to the one suffering, letting them make the decision. Anyone can make someone evil look like a hero, or vice versa. That is all you need to do to get a hero working for a villain. Lies aren't just used by the devil.

[Joe Schmoe]

If we are a mixture of good and evil then we don't NEED a villain group as we already have the evil. If we support a villain group, we pretty much fall all the way on the evil side.

Well I think that's the point, aren't we too good? We're supporting heroes and hero SGs right now, not a single villain organisation we are supporting.

[Meltman]

And why do we NEED to support one?

[Sebastian Kain]

And why do we NEED to support one?

Well you started this thread about the interest in City Of Villians. I've had not real interest in making the SWO villians, because most (if not all) of it's members are good guys. So it doesn't look like it's happening..so why are you getting bent out of shape by it? :eyebrow:

[Meltman]

I'm not getting bent out of shape. I was just wondering why everyone else thinks the SWO needs to be villains. (And I am not including you in this "everyone", SK.)

[Joe Schmoe]

And why do we NEED to support one?

Oh, to be grey. To balance it out. We have too much in the hero side, so we're whitish. Not grey like we're supposed to be.

And I'm fine with whatever we go with. :) I just think it would be creative, every other SG is making a villain group to go against their heroes. It would be totally different if one group made villain allies instead. Wouldn't it? I don't know, I just hate to see us go with the flow of everybody else instead of do our own thing.

[Meltman]

You can be grey without having a hero and a villain. (Just look at the Punisher, for example.) Personally I think it's very uncreative to just say "Oh, they're part of the S.W.O." Besides which, what about all of our allies that are heroes? Or the heroes in the S.W.O.? Doesn't seem like they'd be too happy with us allying ourselves with villain groups.

[Joe Schmoe]

That's why RP wise it would be a secret. The business's secret dealings in the underworld.

And I see what you mean on grey. But if heroes like Punisher can be grey, why can't villains? Just your feelings on "villains have to be evil." Curious :)

[Meltman]

Because if they're not evil, they aren't villains. A villain is someone who is evil. Besides which, as a hero, I'd feel pretty lame attacking someone who is somehow doing evil deeds not...evily?

And you never actually said what you thought of my idea that I posted here, Joe.

[Joe Schmoe]

Certainly, but then by that definition, heroes can't do bad things, right? And one of my favorite villains who isn't doing things to be evil is Zoom, who does bad things to make Flash a better hero. A hero would still fight them because they are still doing crimes, because non-evil villains are doing the right thing, but in a horrible horrible way.

And its good. I'm just not a fan of SG's making their own enemy villain SG. Because then we can't take the whole SG to fight that whole SG, it would be half of SWO's players fighting the other half of SWO's players.

[Meltman]

We can't really fight with villain counterparts either...

[Joe Schmoe]

Exactly! :D We wouldn't fight them. Because like the corporate grey heroes we are, we understand how benefactory it is to have villains on the inside on our pay who carves us out a territory of Rogue Islands and/or take out various villain groups over there.

We wouldn't really be their ally, we would be using them, as they in their minds, think they are using us.

[Meltman]

I said fight WITH them. We couldn't fight WITH them. Not AGAINST them.

[Joe Schmoe]

Ohhh, gotcha, got confused there.

Well yeah, why would we do that? We don't want the public to know we are working with villains.

[Meltman]

I just don't see the point of having an affiliated villain group that we don't interact with in game at all. (Why not just make a villain group that has no connection whatsoever then?)

[Joe Schmoe]

We could most certainly interact to play out RPs.. Ooo, yeah!

Set up base raids, but then don't fight, just sit in there and RP. Or meet in Pvp zones, again not fighting... Hmmm, also depends on how Global works, could have them in the SWO channel.. RPing long distance about payments and what they've been up to.. Nothing is limited when you use *waves his hand, making a rainbow* Immmaggginnnation :lol: (Spongebob rules)

[Meltman]

Well, like I said when someone originally brought up that idea, I will not join that villain group.

[Krypto]

Villain
n.
A wicked or evil person; a scoundrel

If you are not evil you are NOT a villain.

You ARE aware that there are more than just one definition for a word, right? :rolleyes:

Look, I can go through the dictionary to find a definition that proves my point too!
#2 A dramatic or fictional character who is typically at odds with the hero.

I won't even go into denotation and conotation.

[The Widowed]

Agreeing with Krypto here.

Back to the tabletop World of Darkness game that we used to run, it was one troupe of players who alternated between two parties: A band of supernaturals who had escaped a Technocracy paranormal research and holding facility, and the crack team of Technocracy operatives assembled to hunt them down and bring them back, dead or (preferably) alive.

From the supernaturals' point of view, the Technocracy is a manipulative and oppressive global shadow government who exists to create a civilization centered on nothing less than perfect control and the stripping of free will, and they will stop at nothing to bring about this enslavement of the entire human race. The supernaturals were hence fleeing for and fighting for nothing less than their freedom and the inherent right to pursue their own destinies. To surrender to the Technocracy would be to invite a long, lingering death at the hands of their scientists, while Technocratic assassins seemed to itch for any opportunity to employ lethal force and silence the paranormals and their dreams forever.

From the Technocrats' point of view, the Technocracy exists to engineer a safe, evolved and utopian future for mankind. The supernaturals presented a threat to civilians everywhere simply by existing...a werewolf who was prone to bloody and berserk rampages, a mad scientist and a pair of sorcerers whose random magical or metaphysical misfirings could potentially level an entire city block, a vampire who subsisted on human blood and hence threatened human lives with blood loss, shock and the possible spread of disease. Every paranormal is a potential threat, a threat which is all too often realized; Capturing paranormals, studying them and discerning the most efficient means of removing all paranormal threats from the global population is but one stepping stone towards securing a safe, enlightened civilization and an ideal future for mankind.

Sometimes, up is down and black is white. One story is good till another is told.

[Meltman]

Fine. I give up, have the stupid villain group.

[IamLink]

LOL

that has to be the funniest post I've ever seen you make, Melty

[Meltman]

You don't follow my posts very often, do you?

[suburbanhell]

I think having an sWo chapter in CoV makes sense, due to some nefarious activities that we would be involved with for "the greater good". Sometimes you have to crack a few heads open in a dark alley when no one's around to make an ommlette...or something like that...