Pimp Up my Controller

[Poison]

Use this thread to post your incredible troller builds or ask general questions.

[Psychiatrist]

I have a Ill/Emp Build. For yall who dont know the abbreviations. It is Illusion/Empathy. I have all Illusion Powers All up to The last power. Empathy I only have 2 powers of that and thats Healing Aura and Resurect. The power pools I have go as follows:

Hasten
Super Speed
Hover
Fly
Telport Ally
Teleport

As You can see Im a freak over travel powers. People always ask me Why do U have so many travel powers. Well, my reason is is that I have no use for all other ones. Fitness, well thats why I have Healing Aura. And for Endurance well thats why they make Catch A Breath Inspirations lol. And I dont pick any Primary Powers becuase they are not avaliable. My last one is avaliable at lvl 32. Empathy well Im not a Healer. Thats what defenders are for. I picked Empathy becuase When u pick a controller it says he/she has Low Hit Points. So If I catch my self in a bind I have Healing Aura. Heal Other well, I cant really heal myself with that. And Usually All teams have at least one Healing Toon. In there. As for All the travel Powers, Question: WHAT DO USE THEM ALL FOR! Answer: Super Speed= Get where I need/want to go quick. Fly= To get over stuff while using Super Speed. And Teleport= To get out of a huge battle when Im low on Hit Points. Well thats my build. If yall want to use it. Go right on ahead its open!

Peace,
Psychiatrist

[Titomancer]

Ok. Dire Straits here. Im in desperate need of a solid Respec for Subconscious (Illusion/FF controller) but Im at wits end on what to do and how to do it. I know what powers I need/want and what powers I dont. But I still need help with the actual build. What do you wise gurus need to help out my Super-Support character become even more super and supportive?

[Grae Knight]

Do you plan to PvP with this toon or just PvE? I had an Illusion/FF at one time and got him to 32 before deleting him. Bubbling was just not for me, decided to roll a Ice / Storm instead.

[TopHat]

Well, I just have a mind/FF controller at 45 now so not sure how much relevent input I can throw in but I will try.

On the FF-side all you need is deflection, insulation, dispersion. I also chose repulsion field because while it is only useful in certain situations, when those situations come I love having it. Namely, when a storm defender with hurricane is not available I can protect myself and other range character, which has extended our longevity and allowed us to finish off an out-of-hand group. The first two have 3 defense enhancements, dispersion has 3 def and 3 end redux, and repulsion has one KB. That works for me and I chose grant invisibility to add some extra support. However, many controllers choose leadership and while I can understand why mind control is too end heavy already for me to be running extra toggles so I liked the set it and forget it nature of grant invisibility.

[Titomancer]

Well, the thing is, I'm out of powers and I just need some help trimming the fat. As Sub is less control, more Support, Im full of Pools. Aid Other, Aid Self, Resucitate [Must have], Leadership [Going to respec out of assault and take Maneuvers and Tactics] and Fitness and Fly. I'd LIKE to work Group Fly in, and am willing to sack Leadership for it, honestly. I'm also toying with taking the psychic epic pool, but I'd like to try it first to see if its worth it or if I could just use those remaining 3 or 4 powers to round out my uber support build. Its still up in the air, but I'd like to at least clean up the messy build and get my slotting right once I hit 40. When I get around to it, I'll post the current build and slotting. I just dont know when to take certain powers or how to slot them, which is where I need help.

[Grae Knight]

Okay Tito, this is quick and dirty but here is what I was able to come up with. There are some slotting done that make this PvP capable so you can change things if you do not wish to PvP.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name: Titomancer's Cool Troller
Level: 50
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Illusion Control
Secondary: Force Field
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01) --> Spectral Wounds==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(11) Dmg(13) Acc(34) Rechg(36)
01) --> Personal Force Field==> DefBuf(1)
02) --> Deflection Shield==> DefBuf(2) DefBuf(3) DefBuf(9) EndRdx(11)
04) --> Blind==> Acc(4) Hold(5) Hold(5) Acc(9) Rechg(15) Range(15)
06) --> Flash==> Acc(6) Hold(7) Acc(7) Hold(13) Rechg(29) Rechg(34)
08) --> Superior Invisibility==> EndRdx(8)
10) --> Hover==> Fly(10)
12) --> Group Invisibility==> Rechg(12) Rechg(43) Rechg(48)
14) --> Fly==> EndRdx(14) Fly(19) Fly(31) Fly(37)
16) --> Insulation Shield==> DefBuf(16) DefBuf(17) DefBuf(17) EndRdx(19)
18) --> Phantom Army==> Dmg(18) Dmg(21) Acc(21) Acc(27) Rechg(27) Rechg(29)
20) --> Swift==> Run(20) Run(40) Run(40)
22) --> Health==> Heal(22) Heal(23) Heal(23)
24) --> Stamina==> EndMod(24) EndMod(25) EndMod(25)
26) --> Dispersion Bubble==> EndRdx(26) EndRdx(36)
28) --> Aid Other==> IntRdx(28) Heal(39) Rechg(40) Heal(46) IntRdx(46)
30) --> Aid Self==> Heal(30) IntRdx(31) Rechg(31) Heal(36) IntRdx(37) Rechg(37)
32) --> Phantasm==> Dmg(32) Dmg(33) Acc(33) Acc(33) Dmg(34) KB_Dist(39)
35) --> Resuscitate==> Rechg(35)
38) --> Force Bubble==> EndRdx(38) EndRdx(39)
41) --> Power Blast==> Acc(41) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Acc(43) EndRdx(43)
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(44) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(46)
47) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(47) Rechg(48) Rechg(48)
49) --> Group Fly==> EndRdx(49) EndRdx(50) Fly(50) Fly(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Containment==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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[Titomancer]

Nice! Though I'd have to sack Spectral Wounds [Sub does not have that, nor will he ever] and replace it with something else. Thanks Grae!!!

[Grae Knight]

Nice! Though I'd have to sack Spectral Wounds [Sub does not have that, nor will he ever] and replace it with something else. Thanks Grae!!!

It's either Spectral WOunds or Deceive. Deceive has a long animation time so it is not to great for PvP and it usually takes several applications to get it to stick. I chose Spectral Wounds for 2 reasons...good damage at a low level and containment gives you double damage so this would be your only real damaging attack until Epics (not counting pets).

[Titomancer]

I dont do damage. I'll get Deceive instead :) Thanks Grae!

[jose1011]

Blind
Superior Invis
Group Invis
Phantom Armor
Phantasm
Spectral Terror

Personal
Insulation
Deflection
Force Bolt
Cage
Dispersion
Force Bubble

Hover
Flight

Manuvers or Confuse, your choice.

Hurdle
Health
Stamina

Hasten
Super Speed

Hurl Boulder
Stone Armor
Earth Embrace

[Fantasmo]

I was looking to create a Controller that isn't seen too often, so I decided on an Ice/TA. I am having a lot of fun with him so far.
His name is Alaskan Arrow.

I'm looking for any pointers anyone might have on this build. I'm really not familiar with either power set.

Thanks!

[Grae Knight]

Here is a Ice/TA Build with no sets. If you want one with sets let me know. Ice/TA is a awesome team support combo.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.30
http://www.honourableunited.org.uk/mhd.php

Alaskan Arrow: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Ice Control
Secondary Power Set: Trick Arrow
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Primal Forces Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Block of Ice (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(3) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(3) Hold Duration IO: Level 50
(15) Hold Duration IO: Level 50
(17) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
(43) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 1: Entangling Arrow (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(40) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(40) Range IO: Level 50
Level 2: Flash Arrow (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(7) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(7) To Hit Debuff IO: Level 50
(34) To Hit Debuff IO: Level 50
(36) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(46) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 4: Glue Arrow (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(5) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(5) Slow IO: Level 50
(48) Slow IO: Level 50
(50) Range IO: Level 50
(50) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 6: Combat Jumping (A) Jumping IO: Level 50
Level 8: Shiver (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(9) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(9) Slow IO: Level 50
(37) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(37) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 10: Ice Arrow (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(11) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(11) Hold Duration IO: Level 50
(15) Hold Duration IO: Level 50
(17) Range IO: Level 50
(43) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 12: Ice Slick (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(13) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(13) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 14: Super Jump (A) Jumping IO: Level 50
Level 16: Hurdle (A) Jumping IO: Level 50
Level 18: Health (A) Healing IO: Level 50
(19) Healing IO: Level 50
(19) Healing IO: Level 50
Level 20: Stamina (A) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50
(21) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50
(21) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50
Level 22: Acid Arrow (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(23) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(23) Defense Debuff IO: Level 50
(25) Defense Debuff IO: Level 50
(31) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(46) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 24: Assault (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
(25) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 26: Glacier (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(27) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(27) Hold Duration IO: Level 50
(31) Hold Duration IO: Level 50
(33) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(43) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 28: Disruption Arrow (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(29) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(29) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 30: Tactics (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
(31) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
(39) To Hit Buff IO: Level 50
(39) To Hit Buff IO: Level 50
(40) To Hit Buff IO: Level 50
(46) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 32: Jack Frost (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(33) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(33) Damage Increase IO: Level 50
(34) Damage Increase IO: Level 50
(34) Slow IO: Level 50
(37) Slow IO: Level 50
Level 35: Oil Slick Arrow (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(36) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(36) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 38: Vengeance (A) Defense Buff IO: Level 50
(39) Defense Buff IO: Level 50
(42) Defense Buff IO: Level 50
Level 41: Conserve Power (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(42) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(42) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 44: Temp Invulnerability (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
(45) Resist Damage IO: Level 50
(45) Resist Damage IO: Level 50
(45) Resist Damage IO: Level 50
Level 47: Power Boost (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(48) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(48) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 49: Acrobatics (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
(50) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
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Level 1: Brawl (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint (A) Empty
Level 2: Rest (A) Empty
Level 1: Containment



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[Bitter Babe]

Welcome to the fun world of ice control :) It's something I have enjoyed playing quite a bit. I looked over Grae's build for the ice portion only (as I'm an ice/kin) and the only thing I have different is I included chillblain. Not everyone takes it, I have it for the -fly portion and to immobilize a single enemy if needed.

I would check out Frost's Ice Control guide on the main forums as it's a great resource :)

[suburbanhell]

Isn't Frost's Ice Control Guide like way back at I6 though, or has she updated it?

Edit:
That being said, this has always been a good rule of thumb:
The second and most important thing to remember about ice slick is that IMMOBILIZE ON AN ICE SLICK IS A BAD THING!!! In most cases this is something you never want to do. Most immobilizes give a mob 10 seconds of knockdown/knockback protection, negating Ice Slicks main function for 10 seconds and letting them shoot at you freely. This is why I don't recommend Frostbite and why Chilblain becomes less useful from 12-40, as immobilizing a lot of stuff on an ice slick is generally a bad idea. Immobilization does have its uses though, epically if you're facing stuff that isn't affected by ice slick such as nemesis jaegers, or stuff that goes flying while on an ice slick, like Clockwork.

Hence I avoid Frostbite like the plague, but keep Chillblain to pick up someone that might've not been hit by my ice slick or glacier.

[Bitter Babe]

Unfortunately she hasn't updated it, but I think it's useful as in general information about powers, pro/cons, etc.

[Grae Knight]

Welcome to the fun world of ice control :) It's something I have enjoyed playing quite a bit. I looked over Grae's build for the ice portion only (as I'm an ice/kin) and the only thing I have different is I included chillblain. Not everyone takes it, I have it for the -fly portion and to immobilize a single enemy if needed.

I would check out Frost's Ice Control guide on the main forums as it's a great resource :)

Normally I would have chillbain on a ice controller, I got it on Blizzard. Difference here is he is a /TA. He has so many slows and knock-ups the chillbain would not be that useful for him. Oil Slick, Ice Slick, Glue Arrow, Shiver...this build is all about grinding the enemy to a halt. However, if you can fit it in chillbain would be good to give you a little damage output.

[suburbanhell]

*MAYBE* for TI, but I really can't see a place to put it in your build.

[Green Tower]

I'd drop Vengeance for Hasten. You have quite a few recharges in your TA. The only one I have in TA is for EMP Arrow. Slotting the Entangling Arrow is just silly. Ice Arrow's range is nice as it is and doesn't need one.

[Grae Knight]

I'd drop Vengeance for Hasten. You have quite a few recharges in your TA. The only one I have in TA is for EMP Arrow. Slotting the Entangling Arrow is just silly. Ice Arrow's range is nice as it is and doesn't need one.

I wouldn't. Vengence is probably the single best buff in the entire game. Slotting may be off on EA, I think I was slotting for PvP there. If he needs slots he could take it from there, but to be honest I can not see what needs more slots...Jack Frost perhaps? I like range on all my arrow characters, but it is personal preforance. Ice/TA has little reason to be in the thick of things or even be near the team, except for Vengence buff. The ranges enable the controller to stay far from the action and spam all the hard and soft controls in its considerable arsenal. Heck, looking at this makes me want to reroll my Mind/TA. I got him to level 32 before deleting him.

Edit: Fantasmo could drop Acrobatics at level 49 for hasten if he wanted the additional recharge.

[Green Tower]

I wouldn't. Vengence is probably the single best buff in the entire game. Slotting may be off on EA, I think I was slotting for PvP there. If he needs slots he could take it from there, but to be honest I can not see what needs more slots...Jack Frost perhaps? I like range on all my arrow characters, but it is personal preforance. Ice/TA has little reason to be in the thick of things or even be near the team, except for Vengence buff. The ranges enable the controller to stay far from the action and spam all the hard and soft controls in its considerable arsenal. Heck, looking at this makes me want to reroll my Mind/TA. I got him to level 32 before deleting him.

Edit: Fantasmo could drop Acrobatics at level 49 for hasten if he wanted the additional recharge.
I was giving a PvE response. For PvP, I'd be of no help at all.
I challenge your Controller to a future TA duel! /e slap

[Grae Knight]

I was giving a PvE response. For PvP, I'd be of no help at all.
I challenge your Controller to a future TA duel! /e slap

Strange thing, you and I think Hugh Axe have the only /TA controllers I know of. You being the only 50. After teaming with yours I wish i kept mine. I am thinking Plant/TA may be my next controller. They seem to have good synergy.

[Green Tower]

Strange thing, you and I think Hugh Axe have the only /TA controllers I know of. You being the only 50. After teaming with yours I wish i kept mine. I am thinking Plant/TA may be my next controller. They seem to have good synergy.
Joe and I talked about a level 50 TA club. We'd be the only members, but you have to start somewhere!

[Grae Knight]

Joe and I talked about a level 50 TA club. We'd be the only members, but you have to start somewhere!

I know some level 50 T n A :naughty:

[Bitter Babe]

Oh stop it Grae :P Hmm maybe a Grav/TA....not sure.

[Fantasmo]

Wow, thanks for all the responses! I've been at work all day, sorry I haven't replied sooner.

Thanks a bunch for putting together a build Grae, I didn't expect that.

It looks like I have some more reading to do on the Ice powers. I have already taken Chillblain, but I can easily respec out of it.
I remember back when I started playing CoH I teamed with an Ice Controller and I was thinking how awesome Ice Slick was. I'm glad you guys warned me about the immobilize. Good to know!

By the way, I won't be PvP'ing this build. He will be strictly PvE.

[Fantasmo]

By the way, here is a pic of him:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6686/alaskanarrowvp3.jpg

[Green Tower]

One other thing about TA: if you're Technology or Magic origin, you can ignite Oil Slick Arrow yourself.

[Dean Harper]

Is Ice/Sonic a good combo? or should i go ice/forcefield or what?