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Joe Schmoe

06-20-2005, 10:42 PM

Anyone else really enjoying them? I am. :) Try to label spoilers

I thought Day of Vengeance would be my least favorite of the bunch, but it has quickly become my favorite, and the one I look forward to the most each month. This band of magical misfits, just I enjoy the banter between them. I should go pick up Issue 3.. I think Ragman is just awesome, that will be my final note on that.

Villains United, of course I like. Can't think of anything specific to say, as its still heating up, but can't wait to see where it goes!

OMAC Project, wow, directly coming out of Identity Crisis with the whole Batman thing that happened. First one bore me, but the second one got my attention again.

Just have Rann Thanagar 1 so far, so I can't really say how I feel. I was a little bored, as I'm not interested in any of the characters that came up so far.

Solario

06-20-2005, 10:48 PM

I have grown to truly hate Judd Winnick, and I have to admit Georg Johns have been pressing my buttons lately, so I'm staying out of that mess along with House of M. Tell me how it is, when it's done.

Randomus

06-21-2005, 03:07 AM

Winnick is a strange guy. When he's writing his own original character, he's fantastic (see X-Statix), but when he's on an established title... well, no thanks.

So far I've only read an issue of Villains United. I fell in love with Gail Simone while she was writing Deadpool. It's interesting to see them dredge up all these obscure villains, and the 1984 thing they're setting up at the end there looks interesting.

Griimace

06-21-2005, 04:13 AM

Winick wrote Exiles, not X-Statix. That was Peter Milligan. But your point still stands.

OMAC is pretty cool, although it's taking to long to get going. My biggest problem is that yet again, the major terror is another Batman safeguard that makes things much, much worse than what he built it for.

Villians United is a great premise, made even greater by Gail Simone and Dale Eaglesham.

Day of Vengence features a talking monkey detective, who is drunk. What more do ya want?

Rann/Thanagar is just too all over the place for me, and I'm probably going to drop it. However, I am glad to see Gibbons so spot on with Kyle, and I can rest easier for GLC: Recharge.

Randomus

06-21-2005, 01:39 PM

Oh, you're right. I meant Exiles. Which was also fantastic before Austen and then Bedard or whatever his name is. Milligan suffers from the same problem in my view, that's probably why I got them mixed up.

I'll have to check out DoV if it has a talking monkey detective.

Magna Harrier

06-21-2005, 02:54 PM

I was'nt expecting Day or Vengance to be fantastic either, but it is turning out to be one of the best of the miniseries.
As much as I like the Green Lantern, space comcis bore me, so the Rann/Thannagar war isn't doing much for me either. The wife is a big Hawkwoman fan, so that's something in it's favor.

Masked Revenger

06-21-2005, 03:23 PM

Funny, so far, Villians United is my least favorite. I just don't care.

I do have to say, I like OMAC, even though I was a fan of the original, and this is NOTHING like the original. OMAC doesn't even mean anything so far. But still, a good story. I always was a fan of the super-heroes that had no powers.

Rann-Thangar war is getting my attention as it's bringing up some old favorite comcs (Omega Men, Hawkman) and space villans (Kominda'r <sp?>). I'm a little confused because it's been so long sence I've read any of these, but I think I have a better grasp on those characters that I do the villians.

And Day of Vengence is getting good, although I have to admit, I never liked Eclipso. Still, good stuff in there.

Chris

Magna Harrier

06-21-2005, 06:15 PM

And Day of Vengence is getting good, although I have to admit, I never liked Eclipso. Still, good stuff in there.

God knows, it was hard to beleive this guy used to be the peer of the Specter way back when, if you look at his old costume. When Alex from the JSA was stealing his powers to become an "anti-hero" or whatever you youngsters call it, that look rocked beyond all beleif.
And for the most recent look, DC is following the late 90's Image maxim.... anything looks better with cleavage. Still, nice to have Eclipso possesing someone we'd recognize again.

Seadevil

06-21-2005, 11:02 PM

Day of Vengance is my favorite so far as well. Ragman kicks ass.

OMAC Project seems just OK so far, which has me wondering if ...
*SPOILERS*

it was worth killing off Blue Beetle over...

*END SPOILERS*

Villians United i'm not too impressed by yet. But, they did manage to give Catman some balls. That surprised me.

Rann/Thanagar... Meh. I just don't care right now. I like Kyle and the Hawks, but... I don't know. I might pick it up later on.

Magna Harrier

06-21-2005, 11:16 PM

Yeah, I'm glad Catman survived his assumed death in Green Arrow a year or two back... I'm sorry, the Brain and Monsseuir Malah could'nt take down G'Nort.

Gaia

06-22-2005, 11:49 PM

Actually liking The Omac Project. Its reading like a tech mystery and I tend to like that sort of thing.

Villains United, I flipped through at the shop and it falls in the "I don't care" catagory. Not really interested.

Day of Vengeance, I am enjoying. Nice to see a spotlight on the so called lesser magic using characters. Plus it has The Spectre, Eclipso, and Captain Marvel. Just don't like what they did to Dr. Fate, poor guy.

Rann/Thangar War. This one has been brewing for quite awhile (see the latest run of Adam Strange) and its good to see it finally explode. Though it features Kyle (would have prefered Hal but he's not a negotiator as much) trying to help out where needed. And its good to see the return of Captain Comet, haven't seen him in ages.

Joe Schmoe

06-25-2005, 05:24 PM

Okay, liked DoV 3, even if the basics of the way they are taking on Spectre has been done many times before with movies, comics, and television :)

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Okay, from a look at some message boards, Detective Chimp is looking for a Black Alice. Has the ability to replicate any magical beings powers momentarily? She was in Birds of Prey, I never heard of her before myself. Can pretty much fill in the blanks of how she would be used with that ability

/end spoiler

Got issue 2 of Rann and Thanagar as well, I was just more confused. But for those that know the characters and names and stuff, guess its considered good. :D I am just clueless on who/what is.. I mean, I got a head ache trying to understand ;)

Masked Revenger

06-27-2005, 02:11 PM

Got issue 2 of Rann and Thanagar as well, I was just more confused. But for those that know the characters and names and stuff, guess its considered good. :D I am just clueless on who/what is.. I mean, I got a head ache trying to understand ;)

Yeah, I know some of the characters from the 80's, but it's been that long since I've read anything with them that even I'm confused. But, not as much as someone that doesn't know anything about these characters. :)

Chris

Griimace

06-28-2005, 03:39 AM

Okay, from a look at some message boards, Detective Chimp is looking for a Black Alice. Has the ability to replicate any magical beings powers momentarily? She was in Birds of Prey, I never heard of her before myself. Can pretty much fill in the blanks of how she would be used with that ability

That was her? I was trying to figure out who she was! I thought she was a teenager though.

Joe Schmoe

06-29-2005, 04:07 AM

Spoilers

Yeah, she is, so I don't understand the whole asking her father thing. Maybe they are redoing her as younger? Black Alice does live in Dayton Ohio, where they are looking.

This is still my favorite title, and I like each member. Praying they make it an ongoing series somehow, for some reason, they stay as a team. :)

Masked Revenger

06-29-2005, 09:02 PM

Yeah, she is, so I don't understand the whole asking her father thing. Maybe they are redoing her as younger? Black Alice does live in Dayton Ohio, where they are looking.

I'm curious why this is confusing everyone? The Chimp Dective has a samrt mouth to begin with so the whole "come out and play" line is pretty typical for him. And teens still live at home and have to live with their parents rules, much as they might not want to, so it's not out of the question for Dad to answer the door.

Chris

Griimace

06-29-2005, 11:33 PM

But when I saw DoV #3, I thought they pictured here in the background as younger. Maybe I was just seeing things, I dunno.

Joe Schmoe

06-30-2005, 07:37 PM

MR is probably right, didn't look at it that way :) My mistake.

OMAC 3 left me kinda bored again, but I want to keep with it because I like Batman. :)

Spoilers for OMAC Issue 3

I thought what Booster said to Wonder Woman was pretty mean, I can see it from Guy, but not Booster. Is he a bit of a push over or something? Going along with what Guy had to say? Seems no one has been getting along lately, factions are drawing out, is that a hint of what's coming? All the hits against Batman in Identity Crisis and Rebirth, then this thing with Wonder Woman. Just a thought

Magna Harrier

07-08-2005, 07:40 PM

A spoiler-sparse response to the above spoliers....
DC is indeed trying to isolate the Big Three (Superman, Batman, and Wonderwoman) a bit more from the rest of the DCU, and each other in particular. I think a lot of it just has to do with there push to get Bats back into the shadows and interesting again, as opposed to an overbearing pain in the butt. Superman and Wonder Woman's falling out begins with "Superman #219" this week, in an arc called "Sacrafice". Not a bad story in and of itself, and an IC tie-in to boot.
Villians United #3 also hit shelves yesterday... I was kinda let down by the last issue, don't ask me why. This one more than made up for it. Nothing I can think to point out, but a strong issue overall.

Griimace

07-09-2005, 10:47 PM

Booster's reaction towards Wonder Woman is pretty dead on, Schmoe. He's probably fed up with the death of his best friend being a low priority to the Justice League. He sides with Guy because Guy was part of "that League", and cares more for Beetle than the current League would.

Villians United 3 rocked. I'm looking forward to the next issue.

AfterglowNoMore

07-10-2005, 12:39 AM

Villians United 3 rocked. I'm looking forward to the next issue.Yeah, I just wish that they would've killed someone of some limited importance. I mean, they had plenty of characters in the room that would've been more memorable.

Joe Schmoe

07-10-2005, 01:56 AM

Think I get it now. Also got the first part of Sacrifice :)

Did enjoy Villains United 3, bloody, violent, should feel evil for saying this, but the kind of stuff I wanted to see in this series ;)

Poison

07-13-2005, 06:09 PM

Okay, just today started reading Countdown#1 and OMAC#1. I need to get Villains United, DoV and the other OMACs and read them before I can participate in this thread, but to post a general oppinion:

Never been a DC boy, but Identity Crisis was really good imo (except for the end). Countdown was really entangling, since I've never known BB that well. Actually, only as the 2nd string hero he complains to be. So it's interesting to see that the JLA has elitism problems (obvious, but never shown like that) and the story so far seems promising.

Magna Harrier

07-13-2005, 07:33 PM

This will also give us a chance to see Wonder Woman act as the "heart of the JLA"... a title she's often given, but seldom really earns, thanks to having the writers focus on A) Her ability to hit things real good and B) The fact that she's single, and thus is the immediate romantic option for any single hero, from Aquaman to Bats. She's still behind Black Canary in the "deafult romantic intrest" line, though. Most issues, as of late, more cast the big S as the "heart" of the team, but since he's also the powerhouse, and Wonder Woman is female, the role goes to her by default. Which is a shame, because, warrior-ness aside, she is a very sensitive, nurturing character. In her own book.

Griimace

07-15-2005, 04:41 AM

I gotta disagree with ya there, MH. If Wondy should be anything, she should be the balls of the team. In Adventures of Superman, she told Supes that if Ruin was as dangerous as he said he was, then Ruin needs to be put down, not reasoned with. She should be the one to be arguing to throw the Joker out of Watchtower airlock, rather than back into Arkham for the upteenth time. She should be the one to agree with mindwiping the villains, gioving Batman enough cause to split from her right there. She should be the one ready to rip the villain community to shreds -literally- when one of her own die. That's how I see it, anyway.

And Sacrafice took a pretty chilling turn today(although darkly gratifying for big Superman fans).

Magna Harrier

07-15-2005, 06:47 AM

Dangit.... the comic shop I frequent was all sold I out of Action Comics, so I'm gonna have to go down to Cannery row over the weekend and try to find it.
And yeah, Wonder Woman is hard on villians. And she's also very soft on the good guys. Which is a dicotomy so refreshing in comics, it bears nurtuting. But you barely get to see the "non-ballsy" side of Wondy in JL, or any other books, because they need her around to play warrior princess. Which she is, mind, but there's another side to her.

Joe Schmoe

07-15-2005, 08:28 PM

And Sacrafice took a pretty chilling turn today(although darkly gratifying for big Superman fans).

Oh my.. Yes it did. :yoy: Not a Superman fan, but must definatly get the rest of the story now.

Joe Schmoe

07-18-2005, 05:44 PM

Not sure if this will work, but a slide show from Comic Con posted today, with a cover of the Crisis Miniseries that happens after all these series we are reading

http://www.dccomics.com/slideshows/cmc05_dc/slide_images/6.jpg

Sun-Scarab

07-18-2005, 09:26 PM

coldcut

07-18-2005, 09:36 PM

cool pic, i see Wonder Woman finally hit 20 & got a cape

She re-rolled after they nerfed the Golden Lasso set.

Sebastian Kain

07-18-2005, 09:44 PM

She re-rolled after they nerfed the Golden Lasso set.

:lol:

Griimace

07-20-2005, 04:37 AM

Supes and Bats giving each other the stinkeye, while Wonder Woman doesn't pay any attention to either one. Nifty.

Randomus

07-20-2005, 10:53 AM

She re-rolled after they nerfed the Golden Lasso set.

Level 15 Scrapper, Looking For Team!

Joe Schmoe

07-30-2005, 07:30 PM

Okay... Just got the final part of Sacrifice... Wow...

I hate to say it.. But Wonder Woman.. Might.. be awesome..

Solario

07-30-2005, 07:35 PM

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

It doesn't surprise me much, that WW killed Max, she is after all much more of a warrior than a superhero. Not to mention the fact that she slit Superman's throat and considering he doesn't have superhealing, that might be a problem. Meanwhile the slaughter of Giffen and DeMatteis' characters continue.

Poison

07-31-2005, 12:25 AM

Yep, pretty hard. It should be interesting to see how the JLA crumbles and what happens with WW. They're really not holding any barrels.

Xanatos

07-31-2005, 01:11 AM

Is it just me - or is Catman DC's answer to Wolverine?

Of all the new books i prefer Villains United. I'm not sure why - but the "heroes-but-not" vibe it's got i'm really liking. :) That plus Catman is a total hardass!

The OMAC project is typical Batman/JLA stuff. The story doesn't seem to be going anywhere. (It's been done before too - tower of babel). So bloody angsty.

Day of Vengeance is cool - don't really know the leading characters though. Nice to see a look at the DCU from a magical perspective. Captain Marvels whole "hulk out" scene was pure awesomeness.

Rann/Thanagar war. Christ. I've no idea what's going on.

Griimace

08-01-2005, 12:08 AM

So, who of the Giffen League is left? Somebody in the DCU might want to buy a life insurance policy on them.

Solario

08-01-2005, 09:46 AM

Booster Gold. And... I think that's about it. And even he was blown up, except he didn't die. No wait, maybe Mister Miracle.

Anyway as Giffen and DeMatteis said (jokingly though, they are, atleast publicly, against the changes): "It's really weird to pick up I Can't Believe It's Not the Justice League with dead Sue, dead Ted, and Max the Murderer."

Gaia

08-02-2005, 10:53 PM

Mister Miracle, Booster, Batman, Martian Manhunter, Fire, Guy Gardner (unfortunately), Mary Marvel is kind of an honorary member. I know I'm forgetting a few. (By the way the Concrete Gurus (http://www.universe-m.com/gallery/album04/CGnumber1CoHPubB) did a take off on the cover for it)

Griimace

08-04-2005, 03:04 AM

None of the main minis were out today, but I wanted to make special mention of JSA 76. The book made reference to these books/arcs:

OMAC Project
Day of Vengence
Villains United
Identity Crisis
JLA: Crisis of Conciensce(sp)
JSA: Black Reign

All that inter-continuity crap to muck it up, and it was STILL the best book DC put out this week! Bravo, Geoff. And I'm happy to see thatAtom-Smasher didn't die, as I thought he had last ish.

*****More spoilers coming from this weeks books, watch out.*****

In other Crises tie-ins, Superman and Superboy angst about how pathetic they are, and get attacked by the Eradicator, who then gets attacked by an OMAC. O_o

Donna Troy does something with the Outsiders and Titans, I reckon. I'm not buying it.

Firestorm takes down some schmuck, then gets taken down hard by AMAZO!!

That's it on the Countdown front this week, far as I know.

Magna Harrier

08-04-2005, 04:58 AM

JSA remains one of DC's best books, for those who are'nt afraid to wade waist-deep into continuity. With the JLA needing to remain somewhat fresh and new, so as not to scare off new readers, JSA is a total love letter to longtime DC fans.

Gaia

08-05-2005, 05:59 PM

Love the JSA and look forward to it every few weeks.

As for stuff leading into Infinite Crisis. I just re-read the Beast Boys and Girls storyline from the Titans. There is a few panels in there with Cassie talking to Aries. It had a bit of foreshadowing of things to come.

Magna Harrier

08-05-2005, 07:23 PM

It's also more famously alluded to in what I think was the last panel of issue 6 of Superman and Batman... which was the of the "Enemies of the State" arc.
God, I love that artist!

Solario

08-06-2005, 09:26 PM

Michael Turner? You know he just signed a Marvel Exclusive (albeit it doesn't start till 2007).

In related news, I'll laugh and laugh and laugh if Loeb (Another newly Marvel exclusive) and Turner does The Ultimates next, considering how much Loeb ripped into them with the Maximums.

Also I can happily note that Joe Quesada has promised us that they stop churning out event comics in 2007. One can only hope. Let's get back to actual decent writing and stop with the hype crap.

AfterglowNoMore

08-06-2005, 09:58 PM

Gaia

08-07-2005, 01:02 AM

*cough* Bucky *grinds teeth* :grr:

Poison

08-07-2005, 10:01 AM

Turner drawing the Ultimates? That'd be a real disappointment to me. I quite enjoy the dark, realistic style with all those actor cameos. I don't want the Ultimates to look like all Turner stuff (Fathom, Witchblade and whatnot), especially since lately his style has been reduced to a minimum of lines with 3 inches thick of digital colors and FX.

Solario

08-08-2005, 11:42 AM

I honestly can't stand Turner art. I do however hope we get like maybe Andy Diggle (Losers & Adam Strange) on writing.

Joe Schmoe

08-08-2005, 06:34 PM

JSA was pretty good, really tying it all together.

Also got Donna Troy, this book is a real snoozer.. I just am not enjoying it.. When Kid Flash said "Gosh" I wanted to choke him, and then there was a panel with Beast Boy with freakishly wide eyes!! Then really hairy arms. Just.. Meh.

Magna Harrier

08-08-2005, 07:23 PM

Well, it's got a HUGELY off-kilter style.... it's a lot like the Titans were in the 80's. And while that was all fine and well, and roundly-liked back then, we already have a new set of Titans now, and a different drawing style. Having the whole cast get yanked back to the 80's is just off-putting.

Griimace

08-08-2005, 08:28 PM

Not wasting my time with Donna Troy. Sorry, but I ain't interested.

But, check this out. Infinite Crises is going to have two covers ofr each ish, one by Jim Lee, one by PEREZ! Check out the first look at the Perez cover.

Careful! It's a biggun! (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Oct05/GeorgePInfCrisis1big.html)

Solario

08-08-2005, 09:02 PM

No offense to Jim, but Perez puts him to shame.

"Max'd never do that."
http://www.torgler.net/avatars/jla35_panel.jpg

Griimace

08-10-2005, 04:55 AM

You cropped it too soon. Beetle says more in that panel.

Solario

08-10-2005, 01:52 PM

Not mine, I saw it on the net.

Joe Schmoe

08-10-2005, 07:47 PM

Villains United was fun as usual.

Supergirl had Calculator in it, briefly.

Then I really liked JLA :)

*SPOILER, I guess*

That ending was perfect, for those who loved Identity Crisis.

"What do we do now?"

"We vote."

*End spoiler*

Seadevil

08-10-2005, 08:48 PM

Joe Schmoe

08-17-2005, 06:18 PM

Just picked up Birds of Prey. Can't say the ending surprised me, it more bugged me instead...

Griimace

08-18-2005, 01:49 AM

I thought it rocked.

And Manhunter(a really great book that needs support), had an OMAC-pearence, and seems to have a pretty important tie-in coming up next month.

Joe Schmoe

08-18-2005, 06:53 AM

Well here's what I don't like about it

SPOILERs for the latest Birds Of Prey, #85

I just don't want it to happen, I like the Oracle character the way she is. How many handicap heroes are there besides her? Daredevil, Professor X. Now its possible that they go back on it, and its really really bugs me. Its great, shocker wise, writing wise. But I just don't want them to go back a step. :)

Griimace

08-20-2005, 01:27 AM

Don't worry, Gail Simone is not a hack. She won't screw Babs up like that. Besides, even if this is legit, it'll probably take years for her to get enough strength to fully recover.

Magna Harrier

08-20-2005, 07:50 PM

Oh, I can almost garuntee was have a good half a year at LEAST of her training with Richard Dragon, training while exchanging semi-romantic banter with Nightwing, and, of course, training with Lady Shiva, the unbeatable martial artist who's fate it is to be beaten by EVERY Bat-buddie when they need to show how badass said character is.

Joe Schmoe

08-26-2005, 06:39 PM

Wow, the mini series aren't settling down to the end, they are getting bigger for the main event. OMAC was a prime example of that this week. Then DoV's problems aren't being solved at all.

JSA Classified was pretty good, I liked it. Especially the explanation of the hole in Power Girl's costume. You start thinking from Supergirl and this series that they'll finally say what her origin actually is, but then its not that at all. I'm enjoying it.

Magna Harrier

08-26-2005, 08:00 PM

I know... this may be the first time in recorded history I've ever actually felt bad over oggling a comic book character before. The whole book's been great so far.... and the ending. Oi, that ending!

Joe Schmoe

09-08-2005, 09:22 PM

Wow with Villain's United!

Impact

09-08-2005, 10:57 PM

*snipes Joe before he can deliver anymore spoilers*

I haven't gotten to the store to get mine yet!

Magna Harrier

09-09-2005, 12:00 AM

*snipes Joe before he can deliver anymore spoilers*

I haven't gotten to the store to get mine yet!

Lord, I must have gotten about 20 books this week... expect much rambling tommorow!

Joe Schmoe

09-09-2005, 12:11 AM

Looking forward to it Magna :)

Griimace

09-09-2005, 08:23 AM

Holy crap, the DCU has had a bad couple of months. And Joe is right, none of the mini's look to be resolving by the end of each series. I'm still mad that they didn't call the book Infinite Crises, though.

Magna Harrier

09-10-2005, 05:45 PM

Well, it took awhile to finish my book for the week, but here's my take on what I've seen this week in the DCU:

SPOILERS FOLLOW!

Son of Vulcan #4: I missed the first two issues of this mini, and just read 1-3 last week, so I managed to avoid the entropy of memory that can hurt stories that run multiple issues. I love how continuity-based this miniseries is, and the inclusion of the White Martians as the villians just makes it that much better. If you don't get it now, pick up the trade in a month or three.

Superman/SHAZAM! :First Thunder #1 : A good book, but kinda a standard first issue for a crossover mini, IE, the heroes take on the villian in their seperate cities, and meet on the last panel of issue one. The Dr. Sivania/ Luthor team-up should be a blast, and I LOVE how Sivania is written this issue... but don't ask me why. I WOULD have liked a bit more intercharacter action, but I suppose it can be tolerated for the first issue.

Villian's United #5: Further cements this as my favorite of the Crisis Minis, just edging out DoV. Seeing Lady Quark, someone I personally only know from the LAST Crisis, was kinda fun.... and Cheshires banter with Catman was PRICELESS. I should NOT find it as appealing as I do. That being said, if Mockingbird turns out to be Luthor, I really will be dissapointed. The two page splash of the Society invading would'nt make a half-bad poster.

Outsiders #28 : Some folks have decried it for being a "no action, soap opera issue"... which, in this series, I love. I'm glad to see that Nightwing and Starfire are still...er... close. The interplay between the various groups of two heroes was great character development, and the possible new addition of CMJ (he DOES still use that as his name, right? Just the initials?) to the team means I'm SURE to keep on this book.

Superman #221: The cover is kinda misleading... Prof. Zoom makes his apperance only on the last panel of this ish, but since it kicks off a crossover with him and Bizzarro in the other S books, I guess it can be forgiven. Aside from the fact that it's just as amusing as the Bizzarro stories have always been these last few years, not too much else to say. Still a great story, if you've been keeping up with the S books.

SO... that's it for my visit to the DCU this week. DEFINETLY a good week, so you'll excuse me if I gushed a little. It should be kept in mind that all the books I picked up this week, with the exception of Superman, so most stuff I get is already going to be a title I like.

Impact

09-10-2005, 06:24 PM

Picked up a few catch up issues of OMAC & DoV yesterday along with Villains United. This is definately my favorite series of the mini ones.....also I think more people are picking up Outsiders now with the crossover with Titans but I have a question.....since it may or may not be kinda spoilerish you know what to do...

How can Mockingbird have Chesire's daughter, who is also Arsenal's daughter when she was recently kidnapped (Outsiders 18 & 19) by a child slave ring that the group broke up....or was she kidnapped again? Or maybe they inadvertantly rescued her? Thoughts from anyone else who reads Outsiders regularly? If she's gone in the current ones that'd answer my question...I was just curious

Magna Harrier

09-10-2005, 06:46 PM

YET MORE SPOILERS!

You're remembering Outsiders right... but, if I'm remembering ish 1 of VU right, Mickingbird does'nt HAVE Chesire's daughter... she just has an explosive planted in her somewhere. Not big enough to blow her up, but enough to lobotomize her. So the chances are, the kid's still with the Arsenal, and the Outsiders are probably unaware of the danger to her.

Joe Schmoe

09-14-2005, 09:04 PM

DC's website said the Outsiders/Titans Secret files was out, but my comic shop hasn't gotten it yet. *shrug*

Action Comics #831, yeah, did they step back a decade or two on how to draw Jimmy Olsen? Didn't like the art.. Or.. the story for that much. Villains United the main series is what does the villains justice in my mind. I must admit though, they did well in the dialogues I guess. The thing with Jimmy Olsen just bugged the hell out of me. And having a Narrator talk sometimes, also annoyed me.

JLA and JSA both interesting :) Seeing how Donna Troy's return will effect things. And Despero is pretty tough.

*spoilers for JLA* What is he up to though? Has Aquaman and Manhunter, then just shows up at the Batcave? I thought that was pretty random and sudden. *end spoilers*

Green Arrow was good, and another "Huh?" for Rann/Thanagar!

Impact

09-16-2005, 07:26 AM

Hit up the comic shop today while I was out exploring the city...

Picked up an ish of Nightwing (like always) and part 1-2 of Return of Donna Troy (*gasp*)

But...the main thing I was able to come away with was parts 1-3 of Sacrifice! :D All I have to say is...whoa....I need the last ish (in wonder woman) and the wrap up issue...I have another spoilerish question though.....Do they ever show what actually happens to Batman? Like from his point of view instead of just from the brain controlled Supes?

Joe Schmoe

09-30-2005, 08:54 PM

Don't think they do Frost, they shown a tape of what happened I think in some point of that.

Anywho, DoV and OMAC are both completed. Then the JLA arc did as well, with a cliffhanger that will also be resolved in the Crisis. Must.. find out.. what happened..

Poison

09-30-2005, 09:36 PM

Adventures of Superman 644 is out, too, Supes talking to Zatanna. Only VU to go and we have the Crisis upon us.

Magna Harrier

10-01-2005, 01:15 AM

Do we know exactly how long Crisis is supposed to run? I mean, i'm loving the rush DC's had me on since Identity Crisis, but if Crisis itself runs like a year, I may have a nervous breakdown.
I had to spend near an hour combing through two issues of "Previews" before I went overseas to make sure my wife picked up everything Crisis related (She's the Marvel one of the couple, and I'm usually there to make the DC selection). I was tempted to just point to the DC logo and say "Anything with this on it is Crisis related", but i think there MAY be one or two series I'm not getting this month...

Meltman

10-01-2005, 01:49 AM

Well, don't forget the follow up to Infinite Crisis, 52. One new issue every week for a year detailing what happened between the end of Crisis and where all the series picked up a year later.

Griimace

10-01-2005, 03:56 AM

Solario

10-01-2005, 09:09 AM

Impact

10-01-2005, 09:28 AM

Finally nabbed the end of Sacrifice, OMAC, and DoV and I got to read the ish with Supes & Zatanna along with the JLA arc, my question is has anyone read/seen the issues (I'm thinking the next issue of WW after Sacrifice and the next issue of Adventures of Superman) that immediately follow Sacrifice?

I really liked the ending to OMAC, but I don't know how I feel about DoV (MAYHEM!). I'm hoping for a bit more of a semi-solid ending for VU :) And is anyone reading Rann/Thanagar War besides me? :lol:

Yellow Wolf

10-07-2005, 12:58 PM

Yes, I am reading all of them.
I hear a lot of hate for them but I am enjoying them.

D'Arkaine

10-07-2005, 01:04 PM

So how is infinite crisis supposed to go again?

Will it be tie-ins to every title? A seperate mini?

Yellow Wolf

10-07-2005, 01:10 PM

Its like identity Crisis, it will have its own series but there will be a lot of tie ins as well. The tie-ins are not essential but will help get a better picture.
Keep in mind, not tie-ins like omac and such, but tie ins in each characters own series.

Joe Schmoe

10-13-2005, 08:55 PM

So just got the first issue of Infinite Crisis. I think I need help from someone who read the original crisis on telling me who's who on that final page :D

Griimace

10-13-2005, 09:26 PM

I had a big massive thread for it, but it disappeared in Page Can't be Found Purgatory. I'll give you the answers you seek, Schmoe, in nifty black text form:

That is Kal-L, the Golden Age Superman of another Earth. With him, is Superboy of Earth Prime, Alexander Luthor or Earth 3, and Kal-L's wife, Lois. In the original Crisis, they decided to float into the unknown, since they had no place to call home. From the looks of InfC#1, they seem peeved.

2 quick points, Batman gave his best line this year, dissing his World's Finest Teammate pretty hard. And I think everything that's going on is due to some kind of cosmic stress stemming from the Earth Mergers that occured in Crisis1.

Seadevil

10-13-2005, 09:29 PM

I just picked it up as well and it's a damn good way to kick things off, I think. And the whole thing with the Freedom Fighters... Wow.

Joe...
Er. Nevermind. Griim beat me to it. :p

Joe Schmoe

10-13-2005, 09:35 PM

My hero Griim :) And yes, what Bats said to Supes was a most.. impressive line.

Really looking forward to see what happens next

Poison

10-14-2005, 07:10 AM

I started reading #1 and got bored by it, put it aside.
All the miniseries were (mostly) well drawn and entangling, the Crisis one was sucky and confusing so far. Also 80s inner monologues, meh.

Magna Harrier

10-15-2005, 07:35 PM

JUST got back from Beijing. Got a stack about up to my waist (A little over 2 1/2 feet, 3?) of comics to catch up on... most of them DC. So give me a couple of days, and I'll be ready to rant.

Joe Schmoe

10-17-2005, 09:14 PM

Looking forward to it Magna :)

Other news http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4703

My wish came true!

AfterglowNoMore

10-17-2005, 09:52 PM

Looking forward to it Magna :)

Other news http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4703

My wish came true!
Darn, you had my hopes up that it was new writers for the Bat Books.

Joe Schmoe

10-17-2005, 09:59 PM

Sadly, I think that wish will never come true :cry:

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4679

Masked Revenger

11-03-2005, 10:24 PM

So I picked Infinity Cirsis #1. I haven't read all the other mini's all the way through (I'm about 5 months behind on everything I collect right now, except Invincible), so I'm a little confused. Like WHY isn't Superboy being Superboy?

And after that last pannel... I'm thinking that the plan with this series is to undo what happened in Crisis on Infinate Earths? Bring back the multiple Earths? God I hope not.

Chris

Magna Harrier

11-03-2005, 10:30 PM

Well, the giant headache that is Hypertime KINDA alreayd did that, but only so much as they said a FEW additional realities survived. And I doubt we'll be experiencing a COMPLETE rollback of the origional Crisis. Or, at least, I HOPE not.

DOOM2099

11-30-2005, 03:08 AM

Must... Kill... Waid....

Hypertime rules. Hey, kids, look. We undid what Crisis and Zero Hour did. But we didn't change anything. Yay.

Chain Lightning

12-04-2005, 01:28 AM

So I have some interesting info from January Wizard magazine. This is from Dan Didio himself, the VP-Executive Editor at DC. I'm not going to bother to 'black out' this info, sorry.

Between issues 5 & 6 of Infinite Crisis, all the DC books jump ahead one year, and a special weekly series, so far tentatively titled 52, will show us what happened in the year following the events of Infinite Crisis. Okay that was told to us last month. Here is the new stuff.

Several books will be cancelled after IC. The list is, Aquaman, Gotham Central, Batgirl, Gotham Knights, Legends of the Dark Knight, (and here come the big ones) JLA, Superman, Flash, & Wonder Woman

Now, the quote from Didio "Some books we wanted to relaunch, and we felt the direction was going to be so radically different from the [current incarnation] that they were deserving of a new #1 in cases of Wonder Woman and The Flash".

Okay now then for those of you who may remember the classic Crisis on Infinite Earths. The Barry Allen Flash was killed off in that series. Marv Wolfman, the writer of CoIE said he didn't want to kill Barry, that DC asked him to do it. Marv Wolfman has said on MANY occasions that he did leave a way to bring back the Barry Allen Flash. In his own words he said, "Don't look for it, you'll never find it, but it's there"

Now then, since the Earth 2 Superman has come back, Issue 2 has shown that Power Girl is not insane and that she is of the old Earth 2, seems to me this is the perfect time for DC to call Marv Wolfman and ask, "How do we bring Barry Allen back?"