So I went and saw the New Batman Movie... [Archive] - City of Heroes Forums

Sebastian Kain

06-15-2005, 12:56 PM

Alright so No_Syte and I caught the new Batman movie at the Midnight showing at a local movie theather here in Atlanta. I went into the movie not expecting a whole lot from it..(Not really too familar with the Batman comics and stuff but like most ppl I had seen the movies and liked the first two.)

That being said..I was throughly satsified with what I saw. IMO it brought some seriously needed justice to the Batman franchise in general. And paved the way for a totally new franchise to be made.

Has anyone else saw it or planning on seeing it?

Meltman

06-15-2005, 01:01 PM

I'm going to see it friday afternoon. You know, at work in the breakroom some coworkers and I saw something on tv about the movie, and they tried to convince me that Adam West is the only real Batman. O_o

Impact

06-15-2005, 01:26 PM

Sk! :lol:

Man....you and your going to see the cool movies before me....*sniff sniff*

I probably won't get to go till next weekend because of tests and stuff....

Armor of God

06-15-2005, 01:42 PM

Sebastian Kain

06-15-2005, 01:52 PM

Great SK, I will love to see the movie but I have question. Could you let me know about the lanuage and violence? I would like for my 6... errr.. I mean 7 year old son to see it but I have to watch that kind of stuff. He did not and will not see the SW III because of the deliberate intent of violence. Let me know, k?

Thanks

It's pg 13..I don't remember any curse words in it..and it's not too violent at all....

I'd take my nieces to it..as long as you explain it to him first of all. He should be fine. :)

Magna Harrier

06-15-2005, 02:33 PM

It looks like it's one of those movies suggested fro the older crowd because, from what I hear, it's a pretty smart movie. Which, considering how Batman is "supposed" (there's no such thing, really) to be written, is incredibly encouraging to me.
The wife and I are gonna see it over the weekend... maybe a Sunday matinee or something, when the crowd is smaller. Fair warning... if the public in general isn't already attracted to this movie, expect it to pull in some pretty big crowds as folks find out how good it is from word of mouth, ALA Pirates of the Carribean (and, recently, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, it seems, to a lesser degree).

Exodus

06-15-2005, 02:37 PM

Hopefully I'll get to see it tonight. The previews alone make me want to see it, and I'm not even a BIG fan of Bats :)

Lotus

06-15-2005, 02:40 PM

Me and the kids (9, 5, 3) are taking their dad to see it this weekend. But they all three sat through Star wars3 with no problems, too. Infact my 3 yr old giggles and screams STAR WARS everytime she sees darth anywhere (so every 5 seconds). I was a bit worried when dad took them to see SW3 but they seemed to handle it fine. The youngest 2 slept through half the movie and retold me every detail of the other half.

ChairLegOfTruth

06-15-2005, 04:05 PM

Great SK, I will love to see the movie but I have question. Could you let me know about the lanuage and violence? I would like for my 6... errr.. I mean 7 year old son to see it but I have to watch that kind of stuff. He did not and will not see the SW III because of the deliberate intent of violence. Let me know, k?

Thanks

If SW3 is too violent then BMB will probably be too violent. There are likely to be a number of fight scenes throughout. This is Batman after all; it'll be as violent as your typical CoH session, if not more so.

Larke

06-15-2005, 04:58 PM

I hope to see it, last night we saw mr and mrs smith, it was SOOO good...

Randomus

06-15-2005, 05:06 PM

Adam West is the only true Batman.

Sebastian Kain

06-15-2005, 05:12 PM

Adam West is the only true Batman.

Hey Rando..I say we make our own movie. ;)

Solario

06-15-2005, 06:23 PM

I want to see this film so bad, it's not even funny.

Blue Bolt

06-15-2005, 06:32 PM

Hey Rando..I say we make our own movie. ;)

Sick!

Sebastian Kain

06-15-2005, 06:53 PM

Sick!

Only you think so...I meant Superhero Related... :rolleyes:

Solario

06-15-2005, 08:19 PM

Only you think so...I meant Superhero Related... :rolleyes:

Whatever gets you going, man. ;) :D

WingedAvenger

06-16-2005, 01:48 AM

In short, the movie is a lot of fun. It has the fortunate distinction of being as good as, if not better than, the original Tim Burton movie.

Most of the actors suit their roles well. Christian Bale is clearly the best Bruce Wayne/Batman that has ever graced the screen. He's able to convey such a good dichotomous personality of both a dark, fear-inducing vigilante of the night, as well as a carefree spendthrift socialite (amusingly, we get to see him transform from one to the other in pretty much the same scene). Granted, the movie does take it's time in getting to that point (it's almost an hour into it before we actually see him wearing the costume), but that's okay because there's a lot of backstory to be told, backstory which has been given new, intriuging layers by the movie's writers.

Michael Caine and Gary Oldman are just about perfect as Alfred and Jim Gordon (then just a sargeant). Morgan Freeman is, as usual, Morgan Freeman. The normally great Rutger Hauer stumbles in a tossaway role, and Katie Holmes... ugh. Personally I don't like her but I suppose she didn't get in the way too much, well except for her closing scene.

I did have some issues with the film however. The biggest of which was the action scenes. I can't tell you how many movies I've seen which could have been outstanding were it not for some pretentous director who doesn't know how to film an action sequence and thinks using blurry camerawork, annoying closeups, and speed editing is good enough to substitute for a well-developed sequence where the actions can speak for themselves. Batman Begins is no exception. There are several fights in the movie where I had absolutely no idea what was going on. I guess it would have been cool to watch, had I been allowed to.

Cillian Murphy is a decent enough actor, but physically he was wrong for the part of Dr. Crane/Scarecrow. He looks more like a lithe Calvin Klein model than a professor who spent 8+ years in medical school.

Yet despite those quibbles, the movie has a lot going for it. Definitely one to see in the theater. Thumbs up.

Yin

06-16-2005, 02:31 AM

As long as it is better than Batman and Robin ANYTHING will appeal to me. I still have nightmares of the bat-nipples the rubbery icicles that flapped on the door of the policy cars. And the fact that they had a gadget/device for EVERY situation. "Crap. We're strapped to a f'in volcano. What to do?" "Active your anti-volcanic powerboost thruster boots with the high powered coolant that will project from the bottom of your boots. It will freeze all the molten lava and then I can use my hydrolic rock climbing bat-boots to get us out of here." Talk about a horrible script.

Liquidiz

06-16-2005, 02:54 AM

Most of the actors suit their roles well. Christian Bale is clearly the best Bruce Wayne/Batman that has ever graced the screen.

Really i haven't seen the movie yet but I always thought that Val Kilmer's Batman/Bruce Wayne seemed the most accurate to the comics, at least the titles im familiar with (mostly Frank Miller), Keaton was too much of the care free billionaire, actually funny batman and Clooney was the scientist Batman, but Kilmer was an equal combination of all the traits of Batman that Im atleast familar with. I can't wait to see our new batman in action.

I still have nightmares of the bat-nipples the rubbery icicles that flapped on the door of the policy cars

tell me about it, who's idea was it to have nipples on the costume...

And the fact that they had a gadget/device for EVERY situation. "Crap. We're strapped to a f'in volcano. What to do?" "Active your anti-volcanic powerboost thruster boots with the high powered coolant that will project from the bottom of your boots. It will freeze all the molten lava and then I can use my hydrolic rock climbing bat-boots to get us out of here." Talk about a horrible script.

lol, its funny cause it's true even in the old batman movie based on the Adam West series, i remember near the end when they fell off the sub in the water which was surrounded robot sharks or something like that...lucky for our heroes they where wearing anit-robot shark repellent...talk about being prepared.

Malibu Sally

06-16-2005, 04:28 AM

Adam West is the only true Batman.

And Burt Ward as Robin is sooooooo dreamy! :cool:

Blackbat

06-16-2005, 05:03 AM

Best. Batman. Film. Ever.

I was floored with how well they did. I went in there as a skeptic, just looking for a reason to tear it apart and complain to WB/DC how they yet again screwed all Batman fans over. The movie quickly not only won me over, but had me smiling while sitting in my seat with anticipation waiting for the next event to happen.

Bale is by far, the best Bruce Wayne/Batman to play the role. He does a superb job acting both the parts, but I'm thinking that it has a lot to do with the script and direction this time around. They told ALOT of back story on the history and origin of Bruce Wayne that even novices, (my girlfriend as well as my sister) came out knowing Bruce Wayne's demons and why he is the way he is. They both told me afterwards that they not only understood his reasons and motives, but that they felt sorry for him in the beginning along with rooting for him to come out on top the whole way through.

The other actors, especially Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman and Liam Neeson did excellent jobs. Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman not only did excellent jobs portraying Alfred and Lucius Fox respectively, but they both added the needed comic relief that kept the movie from coming to a stand still.

Katie Holmes wasn't a downer, but she could EASILY have been. It came close on some scenes, the ending scene with her and Bale was awkward on her part but it was one of the best scenes in the movie IMO for the sole fact that it revealed the truth about Bruce/Batman that is really what makes the Batman character as interesting and different as he is. Bruce Wayne is the mask, not Batman.

There were some bad points, the action scenes as was mentioned before and how they used Ra's Ah Ghul was a little....different than what most of us that follow the comic are used to. But his motivations and tactics are almost dead on. You can tell that someone involved in the movie took some MAJOR direction from someone that had insight into the Batman Comics. There are several scenes that were pulled almost directly from Frank Miller's Batman: Year One.

Anyway, it wasn't perfect, but you know what? Those issues didn't bring the movie down enough for me to even mention them. I'm just thrilled that they FINALLY, after 3 let downs got this character right. I walked out having not only thoroughly enjoying the movie but wanting to immediately see it again.

So in summary, this movie rocks. I highly recommend you guys to go see. :)

WingedAvenger

06-16-2005, 07:20 AM

Bagman

06-16-2005, 12:00 PM

I saw Batman Begins last night. I loved it. I thought everyone was perfect for their role and I loved seeing the backstory of Bruce Wayne and his father along with his training in Asia. I thought the suit was great and the batmobile kicked ass. All the scenes with Alfred and Lucius Fox were some great character interaction.

My one gripe is that I thought the fight scenes could have been done better. A few scenes, I didn't even know what was going on that it was edited so quickly and confusing. That may have been the point though.

ChairLegOfTruth

06-16-2005, 01:05 PM

Just wanted to add one more thing. I know a lot of people had problems with the new Batmobile. Personally, I thought it was damn cool. Something did confuse me however. I didn't see the point of being able to go from the driver's seat to the center prone position.

You know the best bit about the new Batmobile? It's real; not a model, not a prop, not computer animation. It's a real, custom built, Batmobile. http://gprime.net/video.php/thenewbatmobile

British made, naturally. "Because the Americans couldn't figure out how to make a car without a front axle" apparently.

Randomus

06-16-2005, 01:30 PM

A lot of the movie seemed like a summary of a movie rather than an actual movie.

Many of the fight scenes were filmed in that bloody annoying "shakycam" vision that I loathe.

Overall I loved it, though. Gary Oldman for Jim Gordon? Bloody brilliant. I never would have thought of it because Oldman is usually busy playing a psychotic villain. But when you think about it, a psychotic vigilante's psychotic cop co-conspirator is pretty close to that mold anyway.

The "Spelunking" line cracked me right up, and I liked their little tie-in at the end there. I hope they keep the same team for the next two, but get a better team of editors.

Remianen

06-16-2005, 01:34 PM

I guess I have to be the voice of dissent.

While I would say that this is the best written Batman since probably the first movie, I still wasn't satisfied. I felt there wasn't enough 'Dark Knight' (the REAL Dark Knight. The one who isn't afraid to kill a person) in this one and I'm deathly afraid that there won't EVER be. One of the things I loved about SW ep3 was the fact that Lucas basically said, "Forget the kids, I'm taking Anakin to Hell.". Last I read, Hell didn't have 3 foot high guardrails and was a pretty intense, gritty, awful place.

It was okay as common summer movie fare goes, but I think it could've been SO much more. I've never liked Katie Holmes so her being in it was an instant turn-off. Well, that and the unavoidable overhyping of her May-December connection with Tom Cruise (so what, he's got a young girlfriend. Call me when he can hang with Anthony Quinn or Errol Flynn). Christian Bale was good, VERY good. I think he could've been even better if the material was darker (which is a definite plus).

It wasn't a BAD movie, mind you (best Batman movie since Michael Keaton wore the costume). But before I'd recommend someone go see it, I'd have to advise them of the "mainstream pandering" that seems to have been incorporated into the production (i.e. it's basically the movie equivalent of "Pop". Surprised the Backstreet Boys weren't featured on the soundtrack :p ). Otherwise, I'd tell them to wait til September/October when it's out on DVD (and it will be) and pick it up for the cost of the trip to the movies (movie tickets are $10+ here, at the major theaters).

Randomus

06-16-2005, 01:51 PM

When did Batman ever kill anyone? Ever?

And the love story was unnecessary, but Hollywood refuses to release a movie without one. They continually hope that it will alleviate the boredom for girlfriends getting dragged to superhero movies, I guess.

Lotus

06-16-2005, 01:51 PM

I learned long ago when in doubt see it at the drive-in. That way if it sucks im not out much cash. Friday we will be going to the drive in. For 4 bucks an adult, kids free and we will watch shark boy and lava girl (arent kids fun) and Batman. woot gotta love the drive-in.

Sebastian Kain

06-16-2005, 02:03 PM

I was watching the recap of the MTV choice awards last nite..and Katie Holmes seemed really really goofy..and maybe immature.. O_o

Anyone get that....?

Bagman

06-16-2005, 02:07 PM

Actually, Batman never intentionally kills anyone. It's one of his main ideals that makes him a hero, not a vigilante.

I can't remember which comic it was but there was a great quote by Superman saying something like...that in the end, Batman was just a man who didn't want to see anyone get hurt.

One of you more dedicated comic fans probably has the more exact quote and comic it's from.

Also, my wife still found the movie boring even with the romance. We had a small argument afterwards because she liked Burton's Batman better. Oh well :)

Bagman

06-16-2005, 02:10 PM

I was watching the recap of the MTV choice awards last nite..and Katie Holmes seemed really really goofy..and maybe immature.. O_o

Anyone get that....?

I thought she was just ok as an actress, and I didn't find her as attractive as many seem to think. She did seem too young for the role as a District Attorney.

The dialogue of the character I thought was well written though, and is the one saving grace there. I think one of the female DAs from Law and Order would have been a better choice.

Randomus

06-16-2005, 02:12 PM

I can't remember which comic it was but there was a great quote by Superman saying something like...that in the end, Batman was just a man who didn't want to see anyone get hurt.

I think you're talking about the lady doctor in "No Man's Land." She said that at his core, Batman just didn't want to see anyone else die. Or get hurt. I can't remember which.

Of course, Superman might have said something similar. I don't read much DC these days.

Sebastian Kain

06-16-2005, 02:17 PM

I thought she was just ok as an actress, and I didn't find her as attractive as many seem to think. She did seem too young for the role as a District Attorney.

The dialogue of the character I thought was well written though, and is the one saving grace there. I think one of the female DAs from Law and Order would have been a better choice.

I agree that she's okay an actress. I'm just saying since she hooked up with Tom..she's been a bit too goofy for him..I think or maybe she was drunk...

Meltman

06-16-2005, 02:19 PM

Didn't you hear? She's embraced Scientology. It's obvious that Tom is just trying to convert as many people as he can, one woman at a time. (The best way to do anything, by the way.)

Randomus

06-16-2005, 02:20 PM

Scientology. Ugh. Don't get me started.

Sebastian Kain

06-16-2005, 02:20 PM

Didn't you hear? She's embraced Scientology. It's obvious that Tom is just trying to convert as many people as he can, one woman at a time. (The best way to do anything, by the way.)

Ahhh...Thankyou Science Ninja. :)

Meltman

06-16-2005, 02:25 PM

Consider it a PSA.

Nemesis

06-16-2005, 03:18 PM

I have to second pretty much everything Ice said in his above post. (I know, scary thought isn't it?)

Best. Batman. Movie. Ever.

And that's saying a lot considering how much I loved the original Tim Burton/Micheal Keaton Batman.

With regards to the fight scenes, I'd have to agree that I would have liked to see them in a better (clearer) view however I think they accomplished the intent quite well. Think about it, the whole movie is about Fear. How it's used, how it's dealt with and how it's overcome.

The fight scenes are an extension of that. Batman isn't supposed to stand still and be seen in a clear light. He's supposed to be about shadows, movement and fear. You always fear more that what you don't know or see. So, IMO, they showed you the criminals POV. Or more like "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?"

Annoying? Absolutly. Especially since we really want to see what it is he's doing. But I think it also gave you the idea of just how good Batman really is at what he does. And how well he accomplishes what he's after. And that's to strike fear in the people he's hunting.

Just another perspective on how the fight scenes were filmed.....

As far as young kids seeing it....well, as I stated, the movie is all about Fear and at times could be considered a bit scary to kids with how it's filmed......the warehouse scene would be one and the images of the ScareCrow after he puts on his mask would be another.

I see people make the mistake all to often with these kinds of films...."Well it's about a COMIC BOOK, so how scary could it be?" My answer to most would be "Have you read a Comic Book in the past 5 years?" Just use your best judgement and stay informed. :)

Tsarmina

06-16-2005, 03:20 PM

*can't wait to see it tomorrow*

Randomus

06-16-2005, 03:23 PM

Oddly enough, the scene where he's beating up like 10 thugs at once in the warehouse has a stable camera. It was just the scene in the prison that was kind of shaky and the one on the monorail that really annoyed me.

Sebastian Kain

06-16-2005, 03:29 PM

I totally agree Rando. I couldn't see a damn thing. :mad:

Blackbat

06-16-2005, 03:41 PM

Yeah, the fight scenes could use some work, but Arc is right they did have a vision for it, just might not have pulled it off as well as they hoped. Overall though, the movie rocked.

On a side note, if they had Batman actually killing someone. I think I would have walked outside, around back, and upstairs to the video projection room and set the place ablaze from up there. THAT isn't what Batman is about at all and would have really screwed it up.

I was skeptical of the Batmobile at first, but damn, that thing is just to cool.

Randomus

06-16-2005, 07:01 PM

I think their "vision" was "Use the same filming technique for battles that they've used in every major blockbuster for the last few years." It didn't ruin the movie or anything, it was just kind of disappointing that the climactic battle between mentor and pupil was just a bunch of jarring camera jiggles.

And yeah, I totally want that Batmobile.

I also want a utility belt, but we've all wanted a utility belt since we were like 2, I'm sure.

Yeah, I would've walked out if he'd been off killing people too. Totally against the core of the character.

Druid

06-16-2005, 07:16 PM

I loved it soo much.

*Spoiler*

Especially when Scarecrow said "There's nothing to fear but fear itself" and then was promptly shot in the face with a tazer. I died!

*Spoiler*

Okay now that that's out of my system. Great movie overall. I may be the only one but I rather enjoyed the fight scenes. I felt like I was seeing how Batman accomplished his 'fear' gig. I mean I would have been freaked out if all I saw was some flash of black and one of my guys disappear.

Blackbat

06-16-2005, 07:52 PM

One thing they did in almost every fight which i really dug, was his swooping down and carrying someone off bit. Now, If I were to see someone doing that in real life, I would just run. Forget pride, forget whatever it was I was stealing or protecting. If someone comes off the rafters and carries a 200+lbs. man off the floor and takes him into the air faster than anyone can move...I'm gone. :chuckle:

Bagman

06-16-2005, 07:57 PM

I also want a utility belt, but we've all wanted a utility belt since we were like 2, I'm sure.

That sounds about the right age for me too.

http://bagman.fastmail.fm/batman2.jpg
http://bagman.fastmail.fm/batman.jpg

That's me at two different ages. The scary thing is it's not even halloween in these pictures. I used to run around outside like this. Yes, I know...I blame my older brothers for reading me batman comics when I was little instead of normal storybooks.

So I guess you could say I was pretty excited to see this movie :)

Randomus

06-16-2005, 08:17 PM

Sheba

06-17-2005, 04:46 AM

Just got back from the movie.

All I can say is that it was really good! I try my best ot to overanalyze movies so I don't recognize it's immediate faults...

The only thing I really hated besides the fact that it had to end... Well, I'll have to say the fight scenes. Dare I meantion it, it reminded me of the Catwoman fight scenes - I kept wondering "What the hell is going on?!?" At most points, it totally worked for the character and movie, but other times, I would like to see batman deliver a punch and a kick before the camera switching to a different angle.

Also, I had no problems with Katie Holmes or her character. But now that I think about it, the movie would have been just as fine without her.

I like how the villains didn't have an origin presented in the movie. I felt that it moved the story along and gave batman the screentime he deserved, something I think the past movies were lacking.

Also, I like Christian Bale better then Michael Keaton for only one reason... I could clearly see with Christian Bale that Bruce Wayne was the secret Identity.With Keaton, It seemed like Batman was the secret identity. I prefer believing that Bruce Wayne has been consumed with being Batman. I don't think it's Michael Keaton's fault, mostly the scripts he had.

With that said, Batman Returns is still my favorite movie, though Batman Begins might be better. I anxiously await a sequel!

Esbat

06-17-2005, 07:31 AM

Sheba

06-17-2005, 02:02 PM

Gotta say I agree with you on the Batman Returns... #1 of all the bat films... now I need to go see BB :cry:

Hey, you never know. I've read a lot of reviews where people have said that BB was definitely the best Batman movie.

I'm just saying that Batman Returns has been my favorite movie since before I understood what the movie was about. No matter how good BB is, it would've had to be AWESOME for me to say that it's better then BR.

I mean, the movie was awesome... it just wasn't AWESOME. Ok... I'll shuddup now. :(

inkblaster

06-17-2005, 03:15 PM

I want to see Michael Keaton cast as the Joker for the next one, that'd be swank.

Solario

06-17-2005, 05:25 PM

I want Mark Hamill, but with so much makeup you won't even be able to recognise him.
While I haven't seen the movie yet I bought and beat the game last night, and I liked it alot, even if it was limited.

And Batman should never, ever, ever kill anyone. If he wants to break his legs, arms and ribs in 7 different places, that's cool, but he should never ever kill anyone. Much like he should never use a gun.

I liked the Batmobile it was a lot like the one from Dark Knight Returns, so I didn't mind it.

Christian Bale is the definitive Batman.

Blackbat

06-17-2005, 05:28 PM

I would want Mark Hamill to do the voice acting (His voice IS the Joker), but other than that I don't think he would fit.

Randomus

06-17-2005, 05:56 PM

Bale's "Batman Voice" was stupid. His regular voice was creepy enough. When he was in costume he just sounded like he really needed some water like now, or he just woke up.

Blackbat

06-17-2005, 06:05 PM

Bale's "Batman Voice" was stupid. His regular voice was creepy enough. When he was in costume he just sounded like he really needed some water like now, or he just woke up.

Yeah that scene with the crooked cop, on the roof, in the rain really brought that fact out.

But hey, give him credit. I've been working on my "Batman Voice" for over 16 years. Still haven't got it down. :chuckle:

Xielos

06-17-2005, 06:20 PM

When I was little I had one of those little electric kiddy-cars that was the Batmobile. Dear God how I loved that thing. Best. Toy. Ever.

Esbat

06-18-2005, 05:35 AM

Hey, you never know. I've read a lot of reviews where people have said that BB was definitely the best Batman movie.

I'm just saying that Batman Returns has been my favorite movie since before I understood what the movie was about. No matter how good BB is, it would've had to be AWESOME for me to say that it's better then BR.

I mean, the movie was awesome... it just wasn't AWESOME. Ok... I'll shuddup now. :(

Nah, I was cryin' 'cause I haven't seen BB yet...

But Batman Returns rocks to me 'cause 1) his origin is out of the way and 2) CATWOMAN.

Overall, Batman Returns is #1 to me of the Batman films but the definitive Batman will and always will be, for now, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. If Begins is anything like that it will easily top the Burton/Schumacher ones.

Meltman

06-18-2005, 06:00 AM

Saw Batman Begins today. Loved it. All I'm going to say.

Bagman

06-18-2005, 10:32 AM

But Batman Returns rocks to me 'cause 1) his origin is out of the way and 2) CATWOMAN.

I could watch a whole movie of just the Michele Pfeiffer Catwoman.

Chain Lightning

06-18-2005, 05:51 PM

Blackbat

06-18-2005, 07:06 PM

I think it's been largely agreed that this movie is good. How it ranks in terms of ratings in the Batman film franchise will most likely always be debated. Personally, the first film in 89 (I'm not even counting any of the Adam West creations *shudder*) will always be special to me, as it's the time I actually got involved with Batman in general. But, if I'm being honest Batman Begins is far better.

I just hope that if another is made, they keep Bale and Nolan on.

Liquidiz

06-18-2005, 07:35 PM

Great movie the best Superhero movie of all time (up there with Superman 1 and Spiderman 2) I don't want to spoil ne thing but that ending was great.

I just hope they don't kill characters that are great, one died this character without giving alot away is important b/c of the graphic novel i read when they worked together to stop a terrible villain, so i guess that is ruled out in the sequels.

Randomus

06-18-2005, 07:36 PM

No body, Liquidiz. No body.

He'll be back.

Liquidiz

06-18-2005, 08:01 PM

He'll be back.

Do you know which one im talking about,unless it was an act to get him into witness protection...just saw Eraser again :chuckle:

Solario

06-18-2005, 08:22 PM

I haven't seen the movie yet, but that Joker playcard I'm not digging. I hope they go the way of the Killing Joke concerning the Joker's creation (ie. him being used as a Red Hood decoy and then being chased by Batman, where he falls into a vat of chemicals.)

ThunderMace

06-18-2005, 09:22 PM

*I cross posted this in my LJ but thought I'd share here too:*

I just want to say this: Christopher Nolan *gets* Batman. He understands what kind of things could push people to do outrageous things like, say, dressing up as a bat and beating the sh*t out of criminals.

He also lends emotional gravitas to the scenes that lead up to the "life changing" one. This is the first time that you really get a sense(in movies or comics too) that Bruce had a relationship with his father.
A very good relationship at that.
I don't know the actor that played Thomas Wayne, he was lost amid the sea of Oscar nominated names that are prominant, but he did stellar work. Even knowing the story as I (and all of us) do, I was still touched and sad by the events that transpired.
That's what you call good Acting and Directing, folks.

As far as the rest of the film...Lets just say that the "big" names, showed us why they have all been recognized for their abilities.
Nolan, Neesom, Caine, Freeman, Bale, Oldman, Goyer: The acting, writing and direction were outstanding all around. Micheal Caine is such a scene stealer!
To me, because of the quality of the story and acting, I found this to be better than Star Wars, and really any other movie I have seen this year.

I could not recommend this movie more highly. Go See It.

WingedAvenger

06-19-2005, 04:39 AM

I really only had problems with one fight scene, at the drug drop off where he takes out the entire crew and we see so little of it. The others I don't have trouble with is because to be honest, fights and violence SHOULD be fast and overwhelming. The fights should instill a feeling of 'what the hell just happened' and you can do that best by not showing us the fanciness, just show the quick and dirty takedown.
Sure, they could do slow motion or show us detailed movements and choreography, but to me, that's not Batman. Batman while he knows all the finer martial arts and fineese forms of combat, doesn't use them all them time, his goal is take them down fast.
I just can't shake the opinion that, hey I paid my $8 bucks to get in, I'd better be able to watch some cool fight scenes as opposed to a seizure-inducing jumble of split-second clips, and then a shot of the bad guy falling down.

I think the problem for me is that I've seen too many movies by people like Jackie Chan. Here's a guy who set the bar where it is by being just as fast as anyone you could hope for, and he knew how to plant a camera in one spot for long enough so you could see what he was doing. Now, I'm not expecting Christian Bale to be as skilled a martial artist as Jackie Chan. But "Batman Begins" had roughly a $150 million budget (that translates to just over a million per minute!). I'm sure at least some of that money paid for some potentially wicked stunt and fight choreography. It's too bad that Christopher Nolan didn't trust what he had enough to make use of it. He was apparently too busy making sure he filmed Batman jumping from a rooftop from 17 different angles.

Don't get me wrong, the movie was great other than this regretable speed bump. Nolan is a great director for story and plot, but he might want to take a page from Robert Rodriguez next time and hire a "special guest director" to help him with the action sequences. I recommend John Woo. I'm pretty sure I'll get my money's worth then. :cool:

Randomus

06-19-2005, 04:42 AM

Haha. John Woo doing Batman. All bats flying around instead of doves. Batman suddenly wielding two guns. Haha. That would be hilarious.

Overbite

06-19-2005, 05:17 AM

Saw it...loved it. The Best Batman film yet imo.

The batmobile was pretty kick ass to my suprise...a nice new twist on the concept. :)

Batman himself was portayed very well, and made me beleive that he could actually be real...

Looking forward to the next two movies. :D

Jade_Dragon

06-19-2005, 06:06 AM

Yeah that scene with the crooked cop, on the roof, in the rain really brought that fact out.

But hey, give him credit. I've been working on my "Batman Voice" for over 16 years. Still haven't got it down. :chuckle:

Just saw it, myself. (Seriously, JUST saw it...) I read that the costume was so uncomfortable and hot that Bale used that to feed his rage while in the Batman persona. I could feel that in that scene.

Yeah, the voice was raspy, but I could believe that Bats was PISSED right there. I wouldn't have wanted to be that guy. :D

Jade_Dragon

06-19-2005, 06:12 AM

No body, Liquidiz. No body.

He'll be back.

Yeah. He's immortal, remember. And that last scene of him, closing his eyes. He didn't try to jump, run, hide under anything, anything. He obviously had some plan in mind.

Sheba

06-19-2005, 06:32 PM

I just can't shake the opinion that, hey I paid my $8 bucks to get in, I'd better be able to watch some cool fight scenes as opposed to a seizure-inducing jumble of split-second clips, and then a shot of the bad guy falling down...

I have to say I agree with you. While the fight should be fast and overwhelming, when it's all said and don, I should be thinking "wow, that was a kick-ass fight!" not "Oh my god, I blinked, what the **** happened!"

I mean, I'm not expecting batman to pull off matrix moves or anything, but I want to atleast see/know what he's doing half the time.

ShadowHands

06-19-2005, 07:40 PM

Movie rocked! I liked at the end how they showed you who the next villain will be (though we all could have guessed it). :chuckle:

Solario

06-19-2005, 07:59 PM

I think the problem for me is that I've seen too many movies by people like Jackie Chan. Here's a guy who set the bar where it is by being just as fast as anyone you could hope for, and he knew how to plant a camera in one spot for long enough so you could see what he was doing. Now, I'm not expecting Christian Bale to be as skilled a martial artist as Jackie Chan. But "Batman Begins" had roughly a $150 million budget (that translates to just over a million per minute!). I'm sure at least some of that money paid for some potentially wicked stunt and fight choreography. It's too bad that Christopher Nolan didn't trust what he had enough to make use of it. He was apparently too busy making sure he filmed Batman jumping from a rooftop from 17 different angles.

Actually if you watch Equilibrium Bale is highly capable of martial arts or atleast following choreography.

I read that the costume was so uncomfortable and hot that Bale used that to feed his rage while in the Batman persona. I could feel that in that scene.

Hehe I read that some of the crew had a quote from him on the back of their t-shirts (the wardrobe dept. did it as a joke) saying: "It's hot, dark and sweaty and it gives me a headache."

Liquidiz

06-19-2005, 08:38 PM

Yeah. He's immortal, remember. And that last scene of him, closing his eyes. He didn't try to jump, run, hide under anything, anything. He obviously had some plan in mind.

OFcourse i know that, we are talking about different characters, I know "roughly translated name" Demon Head is immortal, im talking about J.C.

I read a grafic novel where Bats has to work with him and to do that he has to forgive him for what he did to him.

Jade_Dragon

06-19-2005, 11:25 PM

OFcourse i know that, we are talking about different characters, I know "roughly translated name" Demon Head is immortal, im talking about J.C.

I read a grafic novel where Bats has to work with him and to do that he has to forgive him for what he did to him.

We KNOW the Scarecrow survived, they SAID that he escaped and was not recaptured.

The graphic novel is about the Scarecrow, then?

Liquidiz

06-20-2005, 06:04 AM

We KNOW the Scarecrow survived, they SAID that he escaped and was not recaptured.

Wrong again, fine i finally gonna say it, i thought the initials where enough, im talking about Joe Chill, not Ra's Al Grul, or Scarecrow.

Similar to the way Batman was created the Reaper shares a similar story, except his wife is killed in the robbery but he has no morals so he hunts down villains with ruthless aggression.Judson Caspian (Reapers real name) was thwarted by the Batman and Joe Chill but Chill is killed by Reaper (Year 2) then his grandson or son later steals Reapers costume and hunts Batman years later.

then again i read many books where Joe is killed two different ways.

Esbat

06-20-2005, 06:15 AM

I saw BB today and lets just say I walked out of the theatre with the same satisfaction as if I had just witnessed a lesbionic catgirl orgy.

Malibu Sally

06-20-2005, 06:23 AM

I saw BB today and lets just say I walked out of the theatre with the same satisfaction as if I had just witnessed a lesbionic catgirl orgy.
And how many lesbionic catgirl orgies have you witnessed that you know how you would feel afterward? :hm: :neener:

Esbat

06-20-2005, 06:30 AM

Well if one catgirl touching herself in animated form can rile me up I can only assume...

Jade_Dragon

06-20-2005, 04:55 PM

Wrong again, fine i finally gonna say it, i thought the initials where enough, im talking about Joe Chill, not Ra's Al Grul, or Scarecrow.

Similar to the way Batman was created the Reaper shares a similar story, except his wife is killed in the robbery but he has no morals so he hunts down villains with ruthless aggression. Judson Caspian (Reapers real name) was thwarted by the Batman and Joe Chill but Chill is killed by Reaper (Year 2) then his grandson or son later steals Reapers costume and hunts Batman years later.

then again i read many books where Joe is killed two different ways.

OH!!! (We need an emoticon for slapping your forehead)

Okay. Hey, it's better than Batman's parents being killed by the pre-Joker, right??? :D

Although it contradicts the comics, I do like that it WAS Chill, and that he was just an ordinary thug, not part of some vast conspiracy or the like. (Ra'as implies it was, but indirect. He created the atmosphere of despair that made the crime possible) And in all honesty, I like that Bruce tried to kill him and failed. It explains why Batman refuses to carry a gun. And it shows the dark side of his personality, that really, IS Batman. As he said, "I'm using this monster to help people".

Liquidiz

06-20-2005, 05:11 PM

Jade I couldn't say it better myself. I wonder if the sequel will show the Jokers origin (at least Burton got that part somewhat right) maybe even with the Red Hood guise.

Unlike all the other movies which focused on one or two villains at a time, this movie invovled one of the main mobsters, his legendary nemesis of wit and that ghoulish villain worked well with the message of using fear to dominate ur enemies....I wonder if that poor kid in the ghettos turns out to be someone like Todd. Probaly not just a character important to the story i guess.

As for Ducard, i wonder if they will explain his existence (or are the gonna go with the dual guise by our good ol' demon head)

Meltman

06-20-2005, 07:37 PM

I'm pretty sure the ending of the movie is a reference to the ending of Batman: Year One. And the Joker already existed in that one too. (The bat attack also seems to be from there)

Tsarmina

06-20-2005, 07:47 PM

Saw the movie yesterday and really enjoyed it. Two thumbs up!
I just hope that if another is made, they keep Bale and Nolan on.

Oh yes. You and me both.

Overbite

06-20-2005, 07:52 PM

They are contracted to do 3 movies...

Esbat

06-20-2005, 07:54 PM

Jade_Dragon

06-20-2005, 08:53 PM

I wonder if that poor kid in the ghettos turns out to be someone like Todd. Probaly not just a character important to the story i guess.

My mom said exactly the same thing. We all decided he was too young to be Robin, though. (Or even *A* Robin...)

As for the cast of villains, I really liked Scarecrow being Batman's first "real" villain, in the sense of the well-known villains that are associated with him. For one thing, it enabled him to make the line about "Jungian archetypes", which both Batman and his villains, including Scarecrow, are. For another, my favorite episode of the animated series is the first one with the Scarecrow.

I was really hoping that he would play a greater role in the last half of the movie, for instance overcoming the gas by taking on the "true" Scarecrow persona. (i.e., insane) I suspect this is what he was doing when he said, "Doctor Crane is no longer here" while Bats was questioning him, and then when he picked up the mask when his cronies freed him. But he just sort of disappeared, instead. Maybe we'll get to see him in the later movies, though.

Solario

06-20-2005, 09:11 PM

Bale was signed on for 3 Bat films. I don't know about Nolan.

At the moment they're deciding on who to cast as The Joker:

Right now its between the australian actor who played Sparks in the Last 2 Matrix sequels and from the game Enter The Matrix and Guy Pearce from Momento, another Chris Nolan film.

I have to admit, I don't think they look very joker'ish. Unless they decide to loss weight and muscles size. They have to look really sinister for the part, and while make up can do a lot, it really means he has to have one wide, sinister smile, which I personally don't see any of them having.

Blackbat

06-20-2005, 09:48 PM

My mom said exactly the same thing. We all decided he was too young to be Robin, though. (Or even *A* Robin...)

As for the cast of villains, I really liked Scarecrow being Batman's first "real" villain, in the sense of the well-known villains that are associated with him. For one thing, it enabled him to make the line about "Jungian archetypes", which both Batman and his villains, including Scarecrow, are. For another, my favorite episode of the animated series is the first one with the Scarecrow.

I was really hoping that he would play a greater role in the last half of the movie, for instance overcoming the gas by taking on the "true" Scarecrow persona. (i.e., insane) I suspect this is what he was doing when he said, "Doctor Crane is no longer here" while Bats was questioning him, and then when he picked up the mask when his cronies freed him. But he just sort of disappeared, instead. Maybe we'll get to see him in the later movies, though.

The Scrarecrow has never been my favorite villian, the idea behind him is good, just not my favorite. I'm hoping that they redo alot of the past villains that just got reamed by the previous movies. 2 of my favorites that i would like to see redone are Bane and Two-Face. More so for Bane, they totally made him out to be some stupid oaf, when in fact he is the one that masterminded the plan to break Batman. One of the best story arc in Batman history revolves around Bane, you would think they would make him more than a mindless henchman, and to Poison Ivy no less!

Solario

06-20-2005, 10:16 PM

I love Mr. Freeze and he was completely raped in the earlier film, so I really hope he's redone.

Liquidiz

06-21-2005, 05:30 AM

My mom said exactly the same thing. We all decided he was too young to be Robin, though. (Or even *A* Robin...)

yeah he's too young to be Richard and doesn't look that acrobatic, possibly Todd could fit, cause they have similar backgrounds...Timothy is no for sure.Most likely this trilogy will be robin-less...we may have to wait for the next take on batman with a new batman...after seeing Batman and robin im n rush to see rubber nipples on the bat and robin suits ever again.

Bane and Two-Face. More so for Bane, they totally made him out to be some stupid oaf, when in fact he is the one that masterminded the plan to break Batman. One of the best story arc in Batman history revolves around Bane, you would think they would make him more than a mindless henchman, and to Poison Ivy no less!

CAn i get an Amen, unfortonately other writers have taken it upon themselves to make Bane a dumb thug. For god sake he crushed Batmans will to fit then his back. Two face, though i am a fan of tommy lee that Twoface was a horrible character. I waiting for the return of Billie Dee as Twoface.

I hope the make Batman the reason for Joker, it would kind of suck to already have him terrorizing the city, i think the best joker would be william defoe(other than Jack himself) but he was already Green Goblin.

Blue Bolt

06-21-2005, 06:29 AM

Batman: Dead End (http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/nonsw/batman_deadend/index.asp)

The guy playing the Joker in this short unfinished film wasn't bad, neither was the actor playing Bats actually. :D

Liquidiz

06-21-2005, 08:42 PM

Yeah that was a cool short movie until all those aliens showed up.And the classic (non armour) batman custom actually looked cool in my opinion.

Chain Lightning

06-21-2005, 11:29 PM

I love Mr. Freeze and he was completely raped in the earlier film, so I really hope he's redone.

Go rent, ah hell, buy Batman/Mr. Freeze: Subzero. It actually came out about the same time the fiasco of Batman and Robin came out and it's a thousand times better.

As for Bale signed on for three films. Here's the interesting twist, this gets a little long. Bale signs on for three films with Warner Bros. and comments to the press that they had two more Batman movies slated and then a Superman/Batman movie.

Warner Bros. quickly puts that remark as not confirmed and there are no plans to do a Superman/Batman movie.

Then almost two weeks later Brandon Routh, (the new Superman being filmed now by X-Men director Bryan Singer. Hey, there was a SLIGHT chance someone here didn't know that. :lol: ) signs a contract for three movies and he says almost the same thing. He's signed to do two more Superman movies and the Superman/Batman movie.

Here's the clincher, before either Batman Begins or Superman Returns got off the ground, Warner was trying to get a Superman/Batman film made, but after several sputtered attempts, decided to make two individual moveis first and get both franchises healthy again.

One of those things that make you go....Hmmmm

Chain Lightning

06-21-2005, 11:36 PM

Batman: Dead End (http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/nonsw/batman_deadend/index.asp)

The guy playing the Joker in this short unfinished film wasn't bad, neither was the actor playing Bats actually. :D

I can't remember his name, but Joker was played by the actor who played 'Skippy' on Family Ties. He was the nerdy friend of Alex's that had the crush on Mallory.

Oh and good news! I read today Katie Holmes has already been nixed for returning in the next movie.

WingedAvenger

06-22-2005, 12:20 AM

I can't remember his name, but Joker was played by the actor who played 'Skippy' on Family Ties. He was the nerdy friend of Alex's that had the crush on Mallory.Close, but not quite. The Joker in "Batman: Dead End" is actually played by Andrew Keonig (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0462809/), who was Kirk Cameron's best friend Boner on "Growing Pains". O_o

Liquidiz

06-22-2005, 08:59 AM

Oh and good news! I read today Katie Holmes has already been nixed for returning in the next movie

Thats usually the female lead changes in most sequels, unless it makes sense like James Bond where he's in another part of the world then ok, i guess. Just think of all the other batmans.

Here's the clincher, before either Batman Begins or Superman Returns got off the ground, Warner was trying to get a Superman/Batman film made, but after several sputtered attempts, decided to make two individual moveis first and get both franchises healthy again.

That would be cool, i saw a cool poster that Alex Ross painted in one of my wizards (in the issue he ranks the top 20 movie posters, and the bonus one is of JLA, a dream movie) imagine if they could get that off the ground, if they intend to (which i pretty much think is 99.99999% not gonna happen) I think with even seeing a script could be the greatest comic movie ever...marvel would have to answer back with the New Avengers.

Joe Schmoe

06-25-2005, 01:29 AM

Anyone else beside me about wet themselves with that ending?

I had to be calmed down, I was whispering loudly, "YESS! YESSS!!"

Loved it, especially the ending, I almost had a heart attack from that ending.

Necra

06-25-2005, 03:00 AM

Nolan says that Robin isn't going to be in any Batman Begins sequels any time soon... in fact he says he does not want to do a Batman movie with Robin in it and the studio agrees.

Nolan on Robin in Batman Sequels
Source: trev June 23, 2005

Scooper 'trev' wrote in with this bit on possible Batman Begins sequels:

[Director] Chris Nolan talked to our paper, The Lacenby News, and mentioned the Batman sequels.

He said he'll be around for another - if everyone else is - but says he probably won't be around the day they bring Robin into proceedings.

If given the opportunity to cast Robin now - which he says neither studio or him wanted - he said he'd go 'young' and mentioned Frankie Muniz as a potential. "If he doesn't age too quickly...you never know I guess", he said.

"This is a young Batman, so Robin's a few films....not for a few pictures anyway. Dick Grayson's still in a crib somewhere. I seriously doubt I will even be involved when Robin's in the franchise" says Nolan.

http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=3189

Frankie Muniz as Robin? yech........

Joe Schmoe

06-25-2005, 03:05 AM

Maybe if he was Jason Todd. *laughs evily picturing Joker bashing in Frankie Muniz's head with a crow bar* :lol:

Necra

06-25-2005, 03:10 AM

still yech.....

There's some cool spidey 3 news tho:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=2450

Sam Raimi on the Spider-Man 3 Villain
Source: USA Today November 30, 2004

With Spider-Man 2 hitting DVD today, USA Today chatted with director Sam Raimi to see if he had an idea about who the villain in Spider-Man 3 might be:

Having finished the Spider-Man 2 DVD, Raimi is set to begin work on a screenplay with Alvin Sargent (Spider-Man 2, Unfaithful). For now, Raimi will only name-drop some classic Spidey villians, including the Green Goblin — possibly resurrected by Harry Osborn (James Franco) — the Vulture and Kraven the Hunter.

"I'm trying to figure out what (Peter Parker) is going to be learning on this next adventure," Raimi says. "Once I know this journey and the conflicts to put in, I would choose the villain that best represents those conflicts."

Stay tuned for the latest on the anticipated second sequel.

Church Drops Spider-Man 3 Villain Hints
Source: Abysstare June 17, 2005

Spider-Man 3 star Thomas Haden Church has dropped a few hints about which villain he is playing. 'Abysstare' says...

On page 57 of this week's double issue Entertainment Weekly (#826/827):

EW: After reminding the world he could really act in Sideways, the Oscar nominee will play an undisclosed, top secret villain in 2007's Spider-Man 3. How about a hint?

THC: "He's a horse of many colors."

EW: There are horses in Spider-Man?

THC: "Let's just say he's an amorphous collection of protons, electrons, and neutrons, of different colors."

There's some more, but that's the only part with any clues.

Oh and Topher Grace (Eric Foreman on That 70s Show) is also in Spiderman 3. That explains why Topher Grace's character on That 70s Show took off to live in Africa.

WingedAvenger

06-25-2005, 05:42 AM

Oh and good news! I read today Katie Holmes has already been nixed for returning in the next movie.Anyone have a source on that I can read to confirm this? I have some people I'd like to show that to but I can't seem to find it myself.

Oh and Necra, movie news goes here (http://www.cohguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104)! :) :)

suburbanhell

06-25-2005, 06:05 AM

Ok, I have FINALLY seen this movie...via IMAX no less....thus making the lump on the bridge of Christian Bale's nose all that much bigger...

I know this is VERY superficial, but damn that thing iritated the hell out of me the whole movie, took away from Bruce Wayne, billion dollar prince of Gotham, men want to be like him and women want to be with him type allure.

That out of the way, Liam Neeson did a very good job a Rhas Al Ghul (sorry if I spelled that wrong it's been a while since I've seen that name in print).

On the other hand, Scarecrow is just a guy wearing a burlap bag on his face. Not very scary without the gas...I'm not Extremely familiar with Batman's roots, but I don't remember this being part of Scarecrow's ..."scare" tactics...

Another thing I wasn't to pleased about, this "Schill" guy -- I don't quite remember him as the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents. I did like how they tied in that whole "it's all my fault" thing though.

Ending left way for sequels, Push away Katie Holmes character, hopefully bring on Harvey Dent as our next DA to bring Two Face into this later on..., next target, Joker, which makes perfect sense to me, though I'm curious to if we'll see Harley...in anycase the movie was great and the ending tied things together well, Wayne being the head of Wayne Enterprises, and all, not sure if this is the last of Rhas Al Ghul, if I was a betting man I'd say yes given the way superhero movies are made these days, the bad guys always die...am looking forward to seeing the next film.

Meltman

06-25-2005, 06:12 AM

Uh.... O_o

Gary Oldman played Jim Gordon.

And Joe Chill did kill Bruce Wayne's parents.

AslanC

06-25-2005, 06:26 AM

Saw it on the Tuesday midnight showing...

The Good

1] The first hald of the movie, Bruce Wayne goes through hell and it is very well done.

2] Ras Al Ghul, not only for the performance but also for the proper pronounciation of his name.

3] Gordon, Gary Oldman as a good cop? Who'd a thunk it? ;)

4] Katie Holmes didn't suck... big surprise since her character is so bloody tangental to everything, ala Vikki Vale.

The Bad

1] The Batmobile was wicked-retahded... hated it.

2] Once Batman appeared on screen, the film kinda went downhill for me. I didn't like the costume and the "Batman voice" was... well... see number 1...

Otherwise I would see it again... the good outweighed the bad for me.

By the by, Clooney was the perfect Batman IMHO, had he a better script I think most would have agreed. Damn you Joel Schumacher!

suburbanhell

06-25-2005, 06:31 AM

Uh.... O_o

Gary Oldman played Jim Gordon.

And Joe Chill did kill Bruce Wayne's parents.

Scuse me, Liam Neeson, it's late...

Kinetix

06-25-2005, 04:52 PM

I didn't like the bat-voice but I totally understand it. Would you be talking to your close friends at bat-man with your bruce-voice?

MikeKAY

06-25-2005, 05:52 PM

I didn't like the bat-voice but I totally understand it. Would you be talking to your close friends at bat-man with your bruce-voice?

I recall reading somewhere that his voice was supposed to be picked up by a mic and played from speakers imbedded elsewhere in his Bat suit, giving him a creepy disembodied voice. Not sure if they actually did that with Bale, but that was their explanation.

Liquidiz

06-25-2005, 06:57 PM

Another thing I wasn't to pleased about, this "Schill" guy -- I don't quite remember him as the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents. I did like how they tied in that whole "it's all my fault" thing though.

Blasphemy! Joe Chill is the killer, im just glad it wasn't an even younger scare crow or another young villain of Batmans.

Magna Harrier

06-25-2005, 07:05 PM

Did they ever find out if Metallo was tied into the murder of the Waynes? I mean, back when he was still human. They got into it in Superman/Batman, but I forget if it came to anything.

Liquidiz

06-25-2005, 07:45 PM

Sean Penn joins a long list of potential jokers...i doubt he'll do it but whatever.

http://filmforce.ign.com/batman/articles/628/628920p1.html

Overbite

06-25-2005, 09:26 PM

Did they ever find out if Metallo was tied into the murder of the Waynes? I mean, back when he was still human. They got into it in Superman/Batman, but I forget if it came to anything.

In the Superman/BAtman series yes Metallo killed His parents.

WingedAvenger

06-26-2005, 01:56 AM

Actually Liam Neeson played Ducard. Ken Watanabe was Ra's Al-Ghul. ;)

I have a question for anyone who didn't like the new Batmobile... why? I thought it was rather spiffy myself. Is it not traditional enough, or something?

Kinetix

06-26-2005, 05:12 AM

It wasn't called the batmobile, just the Tumbler, hence it wasn't. I'm sure he'll have a real batmobile next time.

AfterglowNoMore

06-26-2005, 05:13 AM

In the Superman/BAtman series yes Metallo killed His parents.
I thought that Luthor planted the information to keep Batman off his trail?

coldcut

06-26-2005, 05:37 AM

Sean Penn joins a long list of potential jokers...i doubt he'll do it but whatever.

http://filmforce.ign.com/batman/articles/628/628920p1.html

That would be ****ing awful. I don't think he's capable of not taking himself seriously enough to properly play the role. I suspect we'd get a "tragic" Joker, the worst possible Joker.

WingedAvenger

06-26-2005, 06:06 AM

It wasn't called the batmobile, just the Tumbler, hence it wasn't. I'm sure he'll have a real batmobile next time.So then the reason why you didn't like the Batmobile in "Batman Begins" is because no one actually used the specific term 'Batmobile' in the movie? O_o

Kinetix

06-26-2005, 05:05 PM

I loved it! I was trying to give a reason to Aslan's post where he thought the 'batmobile' took away from the movie and was too untraditional.

Liquidiz

06-26-2005, 07:57 PM

That would be ****ing awful. I don't think he's capable of not taking himself seriously enough to properly play the role. I suspect we'd get a "tragic" Joker, the worst possible Joker.

True I agree, but Penn is such a great actor that i think he could pull it off. If he respects the role he could possibly be a better Joker than Jack. (ducks and runs for cover) but that would only be because Nolan has more knowledge and better respect for the character and comics then Burton cause if he did he never in his right mind would have killed the Joker.

Actually Liam Neeson played Ducard. Ken Watanabe was Ra's Al-Ghul.

Yeah and no without giving too much info away....(if you haven't seen the movie this isn't forum u want to be browsing)

ChairLegOfTruth

06-26-2005, 08:59 PM

I saw the movie earlier this evening; Splendid :chuckle: :cool: :D

As for the Joker: Christian Slater or Johnny Depp.

Zerideth

06-27-2005, 02:52 AM

I think Johnny Depp could play a good Joker, but not a Jack Nicholson Joker. ;)

coldcut

06-27-2005, 05:29 AM

True I agree, but Penn is such a great actor that i think he could pull it off. If he respects the role he could possibly be a better Joker than Jack. (ducks and runs for cover) but that would only be because Nolan has more knowledge and better respect for the character and comics then Burton cause if he did he never in his right mind would have killed the Joker.

Yeah and no without giving too much info away....(if you haven't seen the movie this isn't forum u want to be browsing)

Once you realize just how full of himself Sean Penn is, it's hard to watch a movie without seeing that in every single one of us characters. Yeah, I think he's a good actor, but I don't think he's a great actor, and there are plenty of people out there who don't get the credit he does that could do better.

Liquidiz

06-27-2005, 08:01 AM

I am still going for William Defoe oh yeah!

too bad he's already been the Green Goblin....damn helmet took away from the sinister grin i come so used too, he would have looked better if he wore a masked that actually moved oh well what can u do.

A vote for Bill is a vote for real.

Charon

06-30-2005, 10:43 PM

I don't have anything to add that hasn't been said.

But my dear lord that was teh s|-|1zzl3. I must see it again. Immediately.

Emerald Sky

07-01-2005, 12:08 AM

By the by, Clooney was the perfect Batman IMHO, had he a better script I think most would have agreed. Damn you Joel Schumacher!

Sorry, I can't possibly take the rest of your post seriously with a comment like this. Perfect Batman, my ass. He nearly singlehandedly killed off the franchise. He was HORRIBLE as Batman.

Charon

07-01-2005, 12:23 AM

The perfect Batman!? Micheal Keaton COULD have been the perfect Batman with a better script, maybe, but George Clooney? No. Just no.

Xanatos

07-01-2005, 12:29 AM

Clooney was too suave and charming to be Batman. In my opinion Bale got it down perfectly.

Johnny Depp would be good at something. Though I see him as more of a riddler (*shudders at the memory of Jim Carey*) then a Joker.

Charon

07-01-2005, 03:00 AM

Bale, in my opinion, had it nailed except for his rooftop-with-the-crooked-cop Batman voice. That was absurd, in my opinion. But the rest of it was simply jaw dropping. In fact I'm pretty sure my jaw did actually drop at some stage. ;)

Emerald Sky

07-01-2005, 04:20 AM

WingedAvenger

07-01-2005, 04:56 AM

Michael Keaton managed to strike a nice balance between Batman and Bruce Wayne, though try as he might, he never seemed to be quite the "perfect" fit for the role.

Val Kilmer was a good Batman but a terrible Bruce Wayne.

George Clooney was a good Bruce Wayne but a terrible Batman.

Christian Bale was great as both, he's the new king of the series as far as I'm concerned.

Poison

07-01-2005, 05:50 AM

We saw it this week, and I can only sum up what was said already. Actors great, Bale is best Batman (I loved how his mimic changed when he went from Batman to Bruuce Wayne party mode), Batmobile cool, characters were taken seriously. Katie Holmes sucks, Batvoice was weird and overdone, fighting scenes were terrible.

I was surprised that they never even mentioned the Lazarus pit for Ras, but on the other hand, he takls about having destroyed Rome and torched London and whatnot. I never liked Ras Al Ghul anyway though.
Though I love Burton's Batmans and Gotham vision, the Gotham in this movie was much more alive, more "real". The whole movie could have been darker though (as in gritty).
The mask looked somewhat weird in front view, as if he had to hide a fro under it...
Compare:
http://www.nzcinema.co.nz/movies/images/Batman_Begins_846_medium.jpghttp://www.cccoe.k12.ca.us/bats/batgifs/keaton.jpghttp://www.cccoe.k12.ca.us/bats/batgifs/clooney.jpg

All in all I did like the movie and hope they do make some more, keeping it up like they did for this one. There was this scene, where Batman stands on a roof with the Gargoyles, where I suddenly thought how seriously this movie was taking Bats and all of the characters and their stories. And that the new Superman seems to go the same way, while the Marvel movies are suddenly getting worse and worse (except Spidey, I hope).

And if they cast a new Joker, I'd want him to look like the actual Joker does. I love Nicholson, but his look was not 100%. I liked the Batman: Dead End guy, actually.
http://www.latinoreview.com/scoops/images/Joker.jpg

ShadowHands

07-01-2005, 06:22 AM

Well....at least I think Katie Holmes is hot. :chuckle:

Meltman

07-01-2005, 06:32 AM

My opinion of Keaton as Batman: Hard to take Mr. Mom seriously as a terror of the night. Also, he was a little psycho when he was Bruce... (But then again, that's how he always is, to me.)

Oh, and I loved that Gargoyle shot too. That was badass.

Randomus

07-01-2005, 06:33 AM

The mask really bugged me. He looks like he has a conehead.

ChairLegOfTruth

07-01-2005, 09:12 AM

Oh man, I LOVED that rooftop scene. I was actually starting to get afraid of him...lol.
/agree

IMHO that was perfect Batman; the voice and the expression were exactly as I imagine and see them in the comics.

Kinetix

07-01-2005, 09:42 AM

The nose on the mask was kind of too pointy and I'd like the ears to be higher but I still liked the costume alot. I also forgot to point out how much I liked gotham. You could see the society decaying and how terrible and poor it had been and was.

ChairLegOfTruth

07-01-2005, 05:59 PM

It struck me that the problem with the combat sequences was that they were too true to the source material. Think about it; when you read a comic book, especially a Batman story, fight scenes are nothing but a series of stills of the fight (Its the nature of the medium). That what they were trying to do here. Bad guy runs down alley and bats sweeps down from out of nowhere and *whup* he's gone and the bad guy is down. Now that's great for the comics but not too good for movies.

That said I only disliked one scene where bats swoops down and grabs someone; I wan't sure who he had grabbed until he got up to the roof.

Oh and who here wants some of that special fabric?