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Malibu Sally
06-11-2005, 07:39 PM
... but it does approach more than most.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MalibuSally/Orangesharp.jpg

Would not have posted this, but the guy came up to me in-game and blathered on and on about what a stupid character Human Tomato was.

Hint: If you must ridicule someone, make sure your bio is not filled with typos and buffoonery. :cool:

Meltman
06-11-2005, 08:05 PM
Awww....him mother died....how sad....

The Widowed
06-11-2005, 08:10 PM
Talk about the teapot calling the kettle orange, huh? :D

Meltman
06-11-2005, 08:16 PM
Also, why make fun of a food based hero when obviously you yourself are named after cheese.

Malibu Sally
06-11-2005, 08:19 PM
Talk about the teapot calling the kettle orange, huh? :D

Him can't help it. Him mother dead. Him father run away. Back Aly Brawler only teach'um crimefighting. Why me talking like Tonto? :D

The Widowed
06-11-2005, 08:23 PM
Becuz him have dain bramage from Rikiti experements?

Meltman
06-11-2005, 08:23 PM
I bet the people teasing him because he couldn't conprole the spines comeing out of his body were makeing him do it....

Malibu Sally
06-11-2005, 08:25 PM
Him also lie in sewers. Him stink heap bad.

Meltman
06-11-2005, 08:34 PM
Heh, I just noticed that he actually misspelled his own name once.

Moon Jump
06-11-2005, 09:05 PM
Him Mother Die?? WHAT YOU SAY?!!! :cuss:

sheld0n
06-11-2005, 09:05 PM
Im getting this feeling that the people who laughed at him were actually mocking the way he talked, and not the spines. :D

Heh, I just noticed that he actually mispelled his own name once.

D'oh, i spilled my juice!

The Widowed
06-11-2005, 09:09 PM
Him Mother Die?? WHAT YOU SAY?!!! :cuss:
You have no chance to survive make your time. :D

BvS
06-11-2005, 09:16 PM
That guy iz sooo r0xx0rz!!!1!!one1!!!

do he hav SG? mak me l33Dr

Mahaf
06-11-2005, 10:13 PM
You have no chance to survive make your time. :D
All UR base, base, base
All UR base.. Are belong to us!!

Tarkenchi
06-11-2005, 10:14 PM
You know, Maybe hes just a young kid, 9-10, and he tried? I remember polgra's son he was 11 and he didn't spell his character name right, What if you guys are making fun of a poor kid who tried? huh? huh?

just kidding, its funny as sh1t, well, kinda kidding O_o

Xanatos
06-11-2005, 10:14 PM
WTF?

He's a Crime Fight Hero!

Mahaf
06-11-2005, 10:20 PM
You know, Maybe hes just a young kid, 9-10, and he tried? I remember polgra's son he was 11 and he didn't spell his character name right, What if you guys are making fun of a poor kid who tried? huh? huh?

just kidding, its funny as sh1t, well, kinda kidding O_o
I wouldn't laugh so hard if he hadn't tried to tell Sally her character was stupid. :sarcasm:

Haha Xan, now I have the great urge to go make a parody of Jukebox Hero. :chuckle:

BvS
06-11-2005, 10:25 PM
http://bvs.raventhorneenterprises.com/forumart/cc.jpg

ph33r mi 1337 p0wrz!

Xanatos
06-11-2005, 11:30 PM
Strangely reminiscent of Ace and Gary. :lol:

Astartus
06-11-2005, 11:50 PM
Him has body by superadine (and brain by Play-Doh)

suburbanhell
06-12-2005, 12:07 AM
You have no chance to survive make your time.

suburbanhell
06-12-2005, 12:07 AM
You have no chance to survive make your time. :D

Ah son of a! I should've known there was a whole second page and someone would've beat me to AYB.

CURSE YOU WIDDY! :P LOL

suburbanhell
06-12-2005, 12:22 AM
http://www.planettribes.com/allyourbase/b/sign.jpg

Got
06-12-2005, 12:25 AM
Haha, completely unrelated to this I'm afraid, I was playing Civilisation 3 for the first time in ages today, essentially just because I was bored. And for the first time I discovered that one of the Japanese declarations of war is "All your base are belong to us."

I scoffed.

Solario
06-12-2005, 12:34 AM
Him has body by superadine (and brain by Play-Doh)

You're brilliant, I just found a perfect job for this kid, why not make him write Troll dialog? He seems like a natural.

BvS
06-12-2005, 12:42 AM
You're brilliant, I just found a perfect job for this kid, why not make him write Troll dialog? He seems like a natural.

An excellent idea, IF you can teach the trolls to read. ;)

Mahaf
06-12-2005, 01:11 AM
You have no chance to survive make your time.
Operator: Someone set up us the bomb!

Randomus
06-12-2005, 02:38 AM
Wow, a Mary Sue who can't even write. That's awesome.

Magna Harrier
06-12-2005, 04:19 AM
Orange-sharp goods, best goods!

Orange.Sharp
06-12-2005, 07:46 AM
How dare you all make fun of my son. for shame. i though virtue was supposed to be one of the nice servers.

My son wont contact you ever again and i expect you to do the same.

I should contact the devs and alert them to this site , that makes fun of little children. for shame on all of you once again.

I would like an apology on these forums only please.





ps. mailbu sally you are a stupiod moron. why make a hero with the name of one of those mattle products/ barbie.

Tarkenchi
06-12-2005, 07:48 AM
How dare you all make fun of my son. for shame. i though virtue was supposed to be one of the nice servers.

My son wont contact you ever again and i expect you to do the same.

I should contact the devs and alert them to this site , that makes fun of little children. for shame on all of you once again.

I would like an apology on these forums only please.





ps. mailbu sally you are a stupiod moron. why make a hero with the name of one of those mattle products/ barbie.



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I TOLD YOU IT WAS A KID!

Listen dood, the devs wont say ****, you violated the terms of agreement by letting a person under 13 play! Again, He said sallys character was stupid, she said if he didn't say that she wouldn't have said anything, christ, take a chill pill.

TOLD YOU IT WAS A KID!

:P


Ohh, also, Calling her a moron, ehh? Let me tell you, she coined Malibu Sally, It was her own creation, I think you sir are the moron, for letting a kid play, and letting the kid play unsupervised, so they can be little ass holes to people who are paying their 15 dollars a month to play this game.

Also, Im 13, Pal.

Libertyman
06-12-2005, 07:54 AM
ps. mailbu sally you are a stupiod moron.


You know, I wonder where the kid gets his poor grammar from.

Sable Phoenix
06-12-2005, 07:56 AM
Forgive my skepticism, but it seems as if the writing styles of the character bio and the subsequent post by Orange.Sharp are awfully similar.

Of course, I'm probably just being cynical. Yeah... that's it.

Seriously, whoever you are, try being a good sport about it. It's all in good fun. It's not the first time bios have been lampooned and it won't be the last, and it wasn't picking your "son" out for special attention. I can point you to at least three threads on the official City of Heroes message boards that do the same exact thing.

Besides, we're not likely to take anyone calling people stupiod (sic) morons seriously.

Orange.Sharp
06-12-2005, 08:06 AM
This whole site is out of order man.

ps. this whole site is some sort of egotist group that in my opinion thinks their better than everyone else.

Thats it i've had it. i will never return because i am not a forum troll.

ALSO I am sorry for calling you a moron malibu sally.

I would have said **** you liberty man. also tark stinks hahaha. booooo hooo tark is 13 and has his mommy paysthe game for him.

Tarkenchi
06-12-2005, 08:09 AM
This whole site is out of order man.
I would have said **** you liberty man.

ps. this whole site is some sort of elitist group that in my opinion thinks their better than everyone else.

Thats it i've had now i am gone. i will never return because i am not a forum troll.

ALSO I am sorry for calling you a moron malibu sally.



Ohh, whats this hidden message, I believe you said the F word, yOur a baaaaaaaaaad daaaaaaaaaddy!

Listen, This site isn't out of order, You are, you come here calling our members Rude, malibu sally a "Stupoid"person, I think you are out of order here, Sir.

Ohh, wow, he added More! For somebody whos not a troll, wait, isnt a troll someone who tries to start fights, I believe it is! We sir, Are not elitist, but when your kid bashes somebody's character, why can't we make fun of them, fairs fair, right?

and finally....

kthxbai

The Widowed
06-12-2005, 08:17 AM
Ah son of a! I should've known there was a whole second page and someone would've beat me to AYB.

CURSE YOU WIDDY! :P LOL
All your base are belong to us. :lol:

doc thunder
06-12-2005, 08:40 AM
LOL. Whats all this about.

The Widowed
06-12-2005, 08:41 AM
Oh, look what found its way here. Did you guide this one into our fair port, Sally? Or was it someone else here who was trying to rub Orangey's nose in this thread?

Not that I'm complaining...on the contrary, it promises to be good fun. Let's analyze the ever-loving crap out of this puppy.

How dare you all make fun of my son.
Lie. You're him, not his father. I've seen this crap before, and it's only a matter of time before the holes in your story start coming out in force to give you away. So call it a hunch.

for shame. i though virtue was supposed to be one of the nice servers.
It is. But even the milk of human kindness only goes so far. And when fools like you start throwing stones at other folks when you're sitting in a glass house yourself...yeh. No milk for you.

My son wont contact you ever again and i expect you to do the same.
Lie. He--or you, rather--will be back. Your sense of honor and dignity (however unjustified its existence) has been wounded, you see. That's why you came here to pick a fight in the first place. So chances are, you're not leaving until either you win somehow or we--the regulars on defense--knuckle up and swamp you with a mind-numbing shower of diatribe until you retreat screaming from the thread, desperately hoping to save face somehow by firing off one last catty snipe as you tuck your tail and run to the unassailable position of absence and obscurity.

I'm hoping for the latter ending myself. >:]

I should contact the devs and alert them to this site , that makes fun of little children.
Go ahead. It's not like they can do anything about it, aside from removing our site's name from their list of links. Oh, that's right...we're not even on that list of links! Oh, how I bleed in the face of your threat. Say, how did you find this site again?

And that's a nice try on the "child" ploy again, but there are two problems: 1) Not all children troll and beg to be flamed. See Tarky and Istasi over there? We love 'em to death. You, on the other hand, were pretty much begging for a character smear. And 2) we're not ageists. You can be 1 or you can be 100, but if you go around acting the fool, sooner or later someone's going to slap you for it. We're equal-opportunity deriders here. :P

for shame on all of you once again.
If the offense were grave enough to warrant shame, sure we might feel it. But it isn't, so we don't. Come to think of it, we're enjoying a laugh at your expense. The chances of us feeling personal remorse for our campaign against your stupidity are not very good.

I would like an apology on these forums only please.
Not gonna happen. Why not?

ps. mailbu sally you are a stupiod moron. why make a hero with the name of one of those mattle products/ barbie.
Oh, yeah...that's why not. Thanks for making yourself a convenient target. Your move, Orange.Dullard. >|p

doc thunder
06-12-2005, 08:45 AM
Oh, look what found its way here. Did you guide this one into our fair port, Sally? Or was it someone else here who was trying to rub Orangey's nose in this thread?


Huh? i had nothing to do with this.

Tarkenchi
06-12-2005, 08:48 AM
Huh? i had nothing to do with this.
she didn't mention you, either...O_o

Blackbat
06-12-2005, 08:48 AM
Huh? i had nothing to do with this.

Maybe I missed something, but did she say you did?

The Widowed
06-12-2005, 08:49 AM
Huh? i had nothing to do with this.
I never said you did. Feel free to spectate, however. The unfolding of this horrible, horrible travesty committed against this fake man's perfectly innocent son could prove to be interesting. ;)

We might even get back to mocking even more silly bios. Stay tuned. :chuckle:

doc thunder
06-12-2005, 08:51 AM
:D My mistake i should read a post before replying.

Tarkenchi
06-12-2005, 08:51 AM
My mistake i should read a post before replying.


err, yes, yes you should. O_o

BvS
06-12-2005, 09:06 AM
I think we may have jumped to entirely the wrong conclusion about this person's 'father'.

Just because there's mention of a 'mother dying' does not guarantee that the poster in this thread is male.

They could just as easily be the mother's lesbian hellion significant other.

The Widowed
06-12-2005, 09:42 AM
They could just as easily be the mother's lesbian hellion significant other.
Sweet mother of mercy, you're right!

*explodes*

Tsarmina
06-12-2005, 11:56 AM
Shananagins!!

Solario
06-12-2005, 12:12 PM
Hahaha that's great.

I can't believe you people are taking those OrangeSharp posts seriously though, it's almost obvious that it's someone here, who's just ****ing around. :D

Meltman
06-12-2005, 12:20 PM
Hahaha that's great.

I can't believe you people are taking those OrangeSharp posts seriously though, it's almost obvious that it's someone here, who's just ****ing around. :D

Oh good, at least I'm not the only one that thinks that....don't feel quite as paranoid now.... :look:

Bolero
06-12-2005, 12:26 PM
Hahaha that's great.

I can't believe you people are taking those OrangeSharp posts seriously though, it's almost obvious that it's someone here, who's just ****ing around. :D

Agreed.

Malibu Sally
06-12-2005, 12:27 PM
Where, oh where to begin? I know! I'll start at the first line!

How dare you all make fun of my son. for shame.
But it's perfectly alright for him to traipse about and be insulting and rude in-game? Focus the shame where it belongs, "pops."


i though virtue was supposed to be one of the nice servers.
It is one of the nice servers... provided there are not pre-adolescent boobs randomly insulting people.


My son wont contact you ever again and i expect you to do the same.
Listen up, Einstein... I NEVER contacted your "son"... nor will I ever do so. Do NOT insinuate that this encounter was initiated by myself. I suggest you teach the "child" some manners about sending tells and how to critique without being an ass.


I should contact the devs and alert them to this site , that makes fun of little children. for shame on all of you once again.
Contact the devs, your pastor, the police, President Bush, or Jesus Christ himself. Contact whoever you wish; It won't change that your "son" is a rude and defective person.


I would like an apology on these forums only please.
On behalf of everyone here, I am sorry that you are a sub-human pig.


ps. mailbu sally you are a stupiod moron.
Drat! You're onto me!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MalibuSally/stupiod.jpg

Xanatos
06-12-2005, 01:10 PM
This whole site is out of order man.

ps. this whole site is some sort of egotist group that in my opinion thinks their better than everyone else.

Thats it i've had it. i will never return because i am not a forum troll.

ALSO I am sorry for calling you a moron malibu sally.

I would have said **** you liberty man. also tark stinks hahaha. booooo hooo tark is 13 and has his mommy paysthe game for him.

Hey look a hidden message. As Sable Phoenix has pointed out it's quite clear you're not this persons father. Whether you're Orange Sharp or one of our members here having a laugh, I'm still going to have to ban the account. Creating an account with the sole purpose of flaming others is not acceptable.

Istasi
06-12-2005, 01:11 PM
God, I love our boards. :lol:

Yin
06-12-2005, 03:03 PM
What a complete and utter assmonkey.

It has to be someone here. How would someone know Tark is 13? We're only called elitists by other people on the boards who seem to disagree with everything done here; someone who just registered wouldn't assume that right off the bat. And the whole, "booo hooo tark is teh 13 lolz omg" thing is...well, really can't put my finger on that 'tarded statement.

Oiy. What people do for attention.

Istasi
06-12-2005, 03:26 PM
Well, Tarky did state he was 13 early in this thread...

Noble
06-12-2005, 03:59 PM
I bet its Bugbite's Mama.

Meltman
06-12-2005, 04:00 PM
I bet its Bugbite's Mama.

Hahahahaha. :lmao:

Solario
06-12-2005, 04:13 PM
This reminds me of a joke Mark Millar (Writer of Ultimates, Chosen, Wanted etc.) pulled on Ed Brubaker (Writer of Gotham Central, Batman, Captain America etc.).

here it is! (http://isotopecomics.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=76)

(Concerning "Why Batman isn't black?")
"I take your point, Ed, and am sure you mean well, but let's say Batman
TURNS black for an arc. They had Batman in a wheelchair for a while to
appease disabled groups? Wouldn't it be cool if he turned black for a big
event? Or how about you turned one of his supporting cast black? Do you
think one of the inner-circle (not just Lucius Fox) could ever be an a man
of colour?

X, Terri (Mark Millar in Disguise)

Now I had no idea what to think. Was this person really that dense? Or, if this was a joke, why wasn’t it funny? I couldn’t help myself, so I kept this going to see how far she’d take it:

>
I don't think the answer is taking old characters and turning them black. And I don't think Batman in the wheelchair was done to appease anyone, either, it was part of the plot of major stunt that year. And I didn't work there then. Besides, do black people really want to be "appeased?" That seems condescending to me.

Ed

>
I'm really new to comics, but is there any reason Bruce Wayne, for
example, couldn't be black and BATMAN kept as a white guy? It seems like a
nice compromise.

Terri (Mark Millar in disguise)"

The Widowed
06-12-2005, 04:29 PM
Hahaha that's great.

I can't believe you people are taking those OrangeSharp posts seriously though, it's almost obvious that it's someone here, who's just ****ing around. :D
...

I knew that. :huh:

(Seriously, though, I'm not sure about that. Going at Sally and calling her a "stupiod moron" doesn't seem in-character for a mere humor attempt. Sally's response--with a new Hero--was priceless, though.)

Solario
06-12-2005, 04:44 PM
(Seriously, though, I'm not sure about that. Going at Sally and calling her a "stupiod moron" doesn't seem in-character for a mere humor attempt. Sally's response--with a new Hero--was priceless, though.)

I think it's my faith in man, that makes me question the autentisity here. :D

Meltman
06-12-2005, 05:27 PM
Also, how would anyone know about it besides us?

The Widowed
06-12-2005, 05:38 PM
Also, how would anyone know about it besides us?
They were tipped off?

Someone here [in-game]: "Hey, you're that Orange-Sharp guy who ticked off Malibu Sally! Everyone's saying how big a dork you are...and you are, too! HA HA!"

Orangey: "What?!? Whu sad that?"

Someone: "Oh, the guys over at cohguru.com. Man, they're really giving it to you with both barrels, you stupid gimp! Hahaha! I can't believe you misspelled your own name in your bio!"

Orangey: "Oh I am so theer! Thanks for the tip, kacjass!"

;)

ThunderMace
06-12-2005, 05:49 PM
Well, to be honest it was probably his cousin that took over his account and told everyone that he died.

Xielos
06-12-2005, 05:52 PM
Lets not go there......

Randomus
06-12-2005, 05:59 PM
Oh no, she's on to me!

http://img190.echo.cx/img190/3480/kacjass7yw.jpg

The Widowed
06-12-2005, 06:00 PM
Oh no, she's on to me!

http://img190.echo.cx/img190/3480/kacjass7yw.jpg
Biggest. Laugh. All. Day. :lol:

Now fix your sig, damn it. :P

Tarkenchi
06-12-2005, 07:32 PM
.also tark stinks hahaha. booooo hooo tark is 13 and has his mommy paysthe game for him.


ohh man, youve gone and done it, I don't play the game, And when i do, i don't have my Mom pay for it, I actually do stuff, I have side jobs, you ass hole, besides your paying for your son, Well, Im just glad your banned you Son of a bitch!

:D :mad: :mad:

Xanatos
06-12-2005, 08:56 PM
Easy Tark - you're talking to someone who probably doesn't exist. :lol:

suburbanhell
06-12-2005, 09:05 PM
So lets just close this thread and bury it to the bottom of here already before we get somoene else posing as him or any other trollers?

Oh yeah and this is a really bad idea for a superhero:http://www.rexart.com/media/san38207_lg.gif

That is all.

Remianen
06-14-2005, 12:16 AM
This thread is comedy gold. Oh, and Widdy...


It is. But even the milk of human kindness only goes so far. And when fools like you start throwing stones at other folks when you're sitting in a glass house yourself...yeh. No milk for you.


5 stars for that quote. I thought I was the only one who quoted MacBeth (and other classical works) in everyday parlance. :D

The Widowed
06-14-2005, 01:02 AM
This thread is comedy gold. Oh, and Widdy...

5 stars for that quote. I thought I was the only one who quoted MacBeth (and other classical works) in everyday parlance. :D
...and you, on the other hand, get all the milk you want, my literary friend. :D

Eomatrix
06-14-2005, 01:23 AM
What u meen we, Back Aly Brawler?

OrangeSharp1
06-14-2005, 09:02 AM
U all suck.jk. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ha i DONT EVEN know orange.sharp. same guy as before. also i dont have no son.

no wait i am sorry to all apologises.
ps. tark is gay. and you all suck. p r i c k s. everyone else is gay too. i am gone for good now m o r o n s .

Esbat
06-14-2005, 10:08 AM
U all suck.jk. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ha i DONT EVEN know orange.sharp. same guy as before. also i dont have no son.

no wait i am sorry to all apologises.
ps. tark is gay. and you all suck. p r i c k s. everyone else is gay too. i am gone for good now m o r o n s .

You're goin' down hippie. Good riddance.

Quakester
06-14-2005, 12:13 PM
I got him Es. :D

Krypto
06-14-2005, 08:50 PM
America's educational system at work here, people.
I'm just amazed that people could have such terrible grammar and bad spelling, seriously.

Bad schools? Bad parents? I don't get it.

PEOPLE: YOU WILL GET NO WHERE IN LIFE WRITING AT THE FIRST GRADE LEVEL!

Akamaz
06-14-2005, 08:57 PM
yoo ar thee bestest at whut yoo ar doeeng cripto, butt not ass gud ass Back Aly Brawlr

Meltman
06-15-2005, 12:56 PM
America's educational system at work here, people.
I'm just amazed that people could have such terrible grammar and bad spelling, seriously.

Bad schools? Bad parents? I don't get it.

PEOPLE: YOU WILL GET NO WHERE IN LIFE WRITING AT THE FIRST GRADE LEVEL!

Krypto, honestly, no need to go insulting people, especially not 1st graders.

Magna Harrier
06-15-2005, 02:39 PM
You'd be suprised how lax some schools are in composition these days. I used to curse my high school for focusing on it so much, but now that I'm in the work force, it's easy to see what an edge such skills give you.

Meltman
06-15-2005, 03:21 PM
I happen to know of plenty of 1st graders who can spell their own name right.

Redcat
06-15-2005, 04:41 PM
This reminds me of a joke Mark Millar (Writer of Ultimates, Chosen, Wanted etc.) pulled on Ed Brubaker (Writer of Gotham Central, Batman, Captain America etc.).

here it is! (http://isotopecomics.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=76)

(Concerning "Why Batman isn't black?")
"I take your point, Ed, and am sure you mean well, but let's say Batman
TURNS black for an arc. They had Batman in a wheelchair for a while to
appease disabled groups? Wouldn't it be cool if he turned black for a big
event? Or how about you turned one of his supporting cast black? Do you
think one of the inner-circle (not just Lucius Fox) could ever be an a man
of colour?

X, Terri (Mark Millar in Disguise)

Now I had no idea what to think. Was this person really that dense? Or, if this was a joke, why wasn’t it funny? I couldn’t help myself, so I kept this going to see how far she’d take it:

>
I don't think the answer is taking old characters and turning them black. And I don't think Batman in the wheelchair was done to appease anyone, either, it was part of the plot of major stunt that year. And I didn't work there then. Besides, do black people really want to be "appeased?" That seems condescending to me.

Ed

>
I'm really new to comics, but is there any reason Bruce Wayne, for
example, couldn't be black and BATMAN kept as a white guy? It seems like a
nice compromise.

Terri (Mark Millar in disguise)"

ok that last part here that I bolded totally threw me Bruce Wayne black but BATMAN white. Ok how does Terri (Mark Millar in disguise) think that is possible. Not that I pay any attention to who writes/draws/colorizes which comics and so forth I just read what I like and haven't read any comics in the last couple of years either. To busy playing games.

Randomus
06-15-2005, 05:05 PM
No, see, Millar really is that stupid.

dorks
06-15-2005, 07:53 PM
(Goodbye...post edited by 8 Ball)

The Widowed
06-15-2005, 10:07 PM
ahahahaha stuipd newb got 8 blal caled on hsi azz! Ornnge.Sharp is teh suck. :D

Krypto
06-17-2005, 11:11 AM
Krypto, honestly, no need to go insulting people, especially not 1st graders.

Oops, yeah, I don't know how I missed the rest of the thread. It appears he may quite possibly BE a first grader.

Either way, let that be a lesson to all. STAY IN SCHOOL, bitches! :lol:

Krypto
06-17-2005, 11:16 AM
Furthermore, I'm surprised that the kid actually found the site. I wonder how that happened? Friend of his tell him that he was gettin' ripped on?