House of M

[Masked Revenger]

So, did anyone pick this up?

I did, and I have to say, I just don't care. I never really liked Scarlet Witch, she always seemed to have the most bizzar powers in the Marvil Universe (hex bolts, which no writter ever seemed to know what they were). When I read Avengers the first time around (back in the early 80's), it seemed all she could do was give people very bad luck. Now, she's another in a long line of "most powerful mutant threats to the world, with her reality bending powers."

Maybe I'm just jaded because it involves Magneto and the X-Men with the aforementioned mutant thread again. I'll give it one more issue to see if it turns into anything interesting.

But, I'm willing to hear other views, maybe someone can change my mind on the subject. :)

Chris

[Solario]

I feel like I really don't want to touch this and Infinite Crisis with a tenfoot pole, but I'll probably pick some of it up anyway.

Scarlett Witch apparently possess something called "Chaos Magic", which is basically well... Chaos.

The only thing that sounds interesting is House of M: Spider-man, where Spidey is loved by all, the champion of the wrestling community, he's married to Gwen Stacy and has a kid with her etc. Basically where everything had gone his way.

It sounds like House of M is the Marvel Universe, but where the mutants, and other powered individuals, have the upperhand like District X has become Mutopia, Spidey is happy etc.

[Magna Harrier]

The Scarlett Witch has perhaps the goofiest mutant power of all time... the mutant ability to use magic. Think on that for a bit, because apperantly Marvel is having a tough time figuring what exactly that means as well.

[Solario]

Is there even magic, real magic, in the Marvel Universe anymore? I mean Thor isn't even a god anymore, he's a would-be alien. The only person I know, who has some form of magic is Dr. Strange. This is why I enjoy the Ultimate universe so much more.

[Masked Revenger]

The Scarlett Witch has perhaps the goofiest mutant power of all time... the mutant ability to use magic. Think on that for a bit, because apperantly Marvel is having a tough time figuring what exactly that means as well.

And this is one of the reasons I never liked that character that much. The writters don't even know what her powers are.

Chris

[Necrosys]

The Scarlett Witch has perhaps the goofiest mutant power of all time... the mutant ability to use magic. Think on that for a bit, because apperantly Marvel is having a tough time figuring what exactly that means as well.

The Scarlet Witch was born with the mutant ability to manipulate probability fields, causing usually normally unlikely events to happen. Due to her upbringing in the Wundagore Mountains-- a place that thrives on magic-- and her connection to the world around her, she developed an intense bond with the "Chaos Magiks", which are what allow her to fire these hex bolts and sense these "Chaos Magiks" in the world around her.

After seeing this, I decided to do a little researching, because I've always had some interest in the Scarlet Witch, though admittedly never really known what her powers and history are (beyond being Magneto's child and Quicksilver's brother, being an Avenger and whatnot).

Anyway, there's quite a bit of interesting information on her on the Internet; but I have to agree, at first glance she seems two-dimensional and her powers are extremely confusing. But when you get into her history and a more detailed explination of her powers, she becomes alot more interesting and stands out from all the other.

[AfterglowNoMore]

Another thing that makes her make no sense whatsoever is that her powers aren't even real. I know what you are saying, " But Glow, it'sa comic book, none of hte powers are real." That's not what I mean. I mean that at the end of Dissassembled, Dr. Strange says that there's no such thing as Chaos magic. So basically, the entire character is one giant conundrum. You'd have an easier time trying to get Wolverine's timeline sorted out than figuring out what her powers are, and what she can actually do.

[Magna Harrier]

Well, from what Wizard and similiar magazines are saying, through interviews with the writers and whatnot, it's looking like Wanda's power to manipulate reality is strictly a mutant thing... the "magic" part of it may or may not be imagined. Keep in mind that, according to what we're being told now, every time Wanda sues her powers to alter probability or change reality, the world gets a little more "off"... different from what it should be. The end of House of M will supposedly give us a Marvel U free of these "impurities".
And with that note, I start the conversation to which all comic forums recently must succumb.... what events in the Marvel U will be changed or retconned (erased from continuity) as a result of the House of M? My money is on Stacey twins being erased, at the very least. Wizard and CBG, as well as anyone with any taste, called that one months ago.

[Solario]

The Clone Saga might be sorted out, even though I really like Ben Reilly.
Gwen Stacy's twins hopefully.
I've heard some rumour about Peter's and Mary Jane's marriage? I hope not though.
Xorn?
Some of the Disassembled stuff prehaps? (aka. resurrections on the scale of "Hawkeye is Jesus.")
Scarlet Witch, if we're lucky.

[Magna Harrier]

Yeah, Peter and Mary Jane is the big rumor circulating... but since Marvel seems to have at least some hand in the circulation, I'm tempted to call "red herring" on that one.

[AfterglowNoMore]

Well, from what Wizard and similiar magazines are saying, through interviews with the writers and whatnot, it's looking like Wanda's power to manipulate reality is strictly a mutant thing... the "magic" part of it may or may not be imagined. Keep in mind that, according to what we're being told now, every time Wanda sues her powers to alter probability or change reality, the world gets a little more "off"... different from what it should be. The end of House of M will supposedly give us a Marvel U free of these "impurities".
And with that note, I start the conversation to which all comic forums recently must succumb.... what events in the Marvel U will be changed or retconned (erased from continuity) as a result of the House of M? My money is on Stacey twins being erased, at the very least. Wizard and CBG, as well as anyone with any taste, called that one months ago.
So this is Marvel's Crisis on Infinite Earths then?

[Magna Harrier]

Certainly looks that way.

[Seadevil]

Certainly looks that way.

And about damn time too.

Although, the whole 'Hawkeye is Jesus' urks me. I was hoping (foolishly, it seems) for some characters to stay dead this time.

[Magna Harrier]

Well, to be honest, as much crap as Marvel gives DC about Crisis, Marvel's just as guilty of continuity tampering, just without the nifty crossover event to implement it in.
What do I mean by this? Take our friend Tony Stark. AKA the Invincible Iron Man. Out friend Tony debuted as rich mogul wounded in the Vietnam war, who was aided by a skilled Vietnamese scientist in creating the Iron Man armor to escape his communisyt Vietnamese captors. Flash foward to the new Iron Man series, and our friend is suddenly a Gulf War vetran, with a bit tighter continuity. Nothing in particular to commemorate this, aside from the series starting at 1 again. It just sort of happened. Which isn't bad... if only Marvel would'nt hold their nightmarishly jumbled continuity up as a prize. Yes, they've never had to "reset" their world. However, they're stuck with a mindbogglingly cluttered continuity as a result. By all rights, it's a shock the X-men have'nt ALL flipped their gourds... by the looks of it, they have an adventure EVERY DAY. The post-traumatic stress syndrome should have them gibbering in a cell by now.

[AfterglowNoMore]

Yeah, and maybe after this, Wolverine won't be in 7 different places at once. :D

[Magna Harrier]

Thankfully, New Avengers seems to be reigning Wolverine's mastery of teleportation... far as I know, at the moment he's only A) In the savage land with the Avengers and B) Locked up in SHEILD HQ being de-brainwashed after his killing spree for Hydra.

[Randomus]

Comics that come out each month don't take place at the same time in continuity. Try to keep that in mind. Bendis said he was going to release a timeline of some sort fairly soon, which is good.

I finally got my copy of House of M #1 and I really enjoyed it, but it left me hanging at the end there. Damn cliffhanger. Luckily the next issue is out fairly soon.

The new batch of Big Gun Writers (Bendis, Kirkman, Ellis to a lesser extent) seem to realise that Marvel needs some shaking up, and I'm more than happy to see it happening.

There are still no plans to resurrect Hawkeye, which is good.

[Joe Schmoe]

Picked up Villains United and the latest JSA and JLA comics, when I saw this, remembering Fate mentioning it. Its been a very long time that I got anything Marvel outside of the Ultimate universe. I liked it, and will be picking up the rest :)

[Griimace]

I'm not picking it up. With as much glut of product coming out between this, and the whole "Infinite Crises" at DC I knew I had to make a choice, and to be honest DC is sexier to me than this.

Plus, I figure that DC will never collect all the different crap going on right now(and with the rate it's spilling into all the regular titles, I don't think it possibly could), and Marvel will have all the trades out within 2 weeks of House of M's end.

[Masked Revenger]

Okay, so I picked up issue 2, and I have to say, it's way more interesting than issue 1 was. I love comcis that completly re-create an existing universe, changing everyone's roles, and such, so this is pretty cool. I haven't picked up the extra books, like Spidy or the upciming Iron Man, and I'm not sure I will, though it might be interesting to see how they were changed by this story too.

It's got my attention now, I'll stick around to see what they do with it.

Chris

[Magna Harrier]

Spider-Man: House of M (the miniseries) #1 picks up where House of M #1 left of, Rando, so keep that in mind.... House of M #2 just advances the plot.
And, in an interesting note, apperantly one of the House of M artists used a photo of the King of Spain as a model for Magneto... pretty much lifted everything, including the outfit, medals he was wearing, and the freaking WALLPAPER IN THE BACKGROUND, and painted an exact recreation, with Magneto's head on it. Apperantly, the King of Spain is plugged into comics enough to have found out, and is taking legal action.

Edit: And so it does'nt look like I'm just blowing smoke...

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32257

[Masked Revenger]

So, you're saying Spidy House of M might be needed to get the full story? That kinda sucks.

And as to the cover painting... how stupid can you get? Change things when you're "inspired" by a real life painting. Change the pattern of the piping, the wallpaper, colours, the medals.... CHANGE THINGS! That picture is a direct rip-off! Ugh...

Chris

[Magna Harrier]

Well, if you're looking to see what happened to Peter right after he wakes up at the end of House of M #1, yeah, you'll need to pick up the Spider-man mini. I'm sure you could go without it, but when Rando said cliffhanger, I assumed he meant literally that last part of House of M #1, which is continued in Spider-Man:House ofM.
I'm sure, like all mega-crossovers, they'll reference stuff that takes place in other books, but if you can live without the Spider-man part of it, you can skip his mini. Same goes for Iron Man, Captain America, etc. The House of M mini itself focuses on the central story, it seems.

[Magna Harrier]

Well, issue number 3 of the House of M mini just came out... Have to say, not bad at all. LOVED the mini-newsrag they inserted. Here's a few other things that peaked my interest, as spoiler free as I can make them.

A) A decent story starring Wolverine!: Maybe this is owing to my general avoidance of him these days, but Wolverine pulled of more than a few decent scenes in this issue.

B) The apperance of some seldom used characters: Short of Marvel Knights and Runaways, we have'nt seen much of Cloak these days. Nice to see he's still around.

C) The last page: Hoo boy. Go read this one for yourself. Not unexpected, but cool nonetheless.

[Randomus]

C) The last page: Hoo boy. Go read this one for yourself. Not unexpected, but cool nonetheless.

Joey Q claimed that issue 3 of HoM would, and I quote, "Crack the internet in half!"

Of course, Joey's a little on the melodramatic side. We've had some good times with that quote on the Bendis boards.

[Magna Harrier]

Yeah, I'm giving it a day or two before I go forum surfing on the topic... promises to be fun.

[Randomus]

I also picked up Spidey House of M #1 last week and was shocked at how much Bald Peter resembled Coldcut.

[Randomus]

I finally got HoM 3 yesterday.

The mini-newsrag was awesome, I loved all the little mentions of heroes you don't hear about much, and Guido's appearance in the background of the main picture. Strong Guy is one of my favourite mutants. I haven't been reading spoilers or looking up all the covers on newsarama like everyone else apparently does these days, so the ending was still a little unexpected. I hadn't expected him to turn up so soon.

[Magna Harrier]

No kidding... I've been staying away from spilers, for the most part, with the exception of Wizard, so it was news to me too. And sadly, the thread regarding his RETURN in this forum has gotten like 2 replies since it happened, so I'm wondering of a lot of folks never bought the issue and found out.

[Joe Schmoe]

Got it as well, was pleased to see Cloak, was starting to think Marvel forgot about him :)

[Randomus]

Yeah, seeing Cloak was awesome too. I love how Bendis has this great affection for obscure and forgotten characters. I mean, Moon Knight is in this week's issue of Ultimate Spider-Man. Moon Knight.

[Seadevil]

I've read them all so far, and from what I understand is this is how the world is supposed to be if Wanda didn't slightly offset it everytime she used her hex powers. It's a pretty decent series so far, reminds me a bit of Days of Future Past, only with humans being the subjegated (I know I spelled the wrong...) class instead of mutants.

Oh, and Storm's a bitch. I just wanted to say that.

[Randomus]

I think they're trying to make her as vapid as Halle Berry.

[Magna Harrier]

Truley, a mighty undertaking. Although, it does speak a lot about what Storm might wish her life was like.... WHAT it says is another story.

[Joe Schmoe]

Hmmm, just got the last one.. Think I'm missing here something.. Is there a part 2 coming or...? *confused* Help me!

[Meltman]

There's an aftermath event happening. Called DeciMation

[Randomus]

Bwaaahahahaha! Kill all mutants! Kill them all!

I hope in the aftermath, Gambit and Chamber get horribly killed.

[Impact]

Well if you look at some of the covers in the Post-HoM/Decimation things you can see Chamber (I think) on the cover of Generation M.

[Chain Lightning]

Hmmm, just got the last one.. Think I'm missing here something.. Is there a part 2 coming or...? *confused* Help me!

There are some follow up miniseries and new series coming out of House of M. What are you confused about?

[Joe Schmoe]

Well thought that was the final one :) So thought.. They were ending with Magneto having no powers. So was very confused.

[Blazing Tudra']

Iwas very disapointed in the house of M that is all i am going to say...

[Randomus]

Well if you look at some of the covers in the Post-HoM/Decimation things you can see Chamber (I think) on the cover of Generation M.

Don't shatter my dreams. :(

[Seadevil]

Magneto having no powers.

I give this a year, max.

[Chain Lightning]

I give this a year, max.


Less than a year. Probably within one of the mini series tie ins they're gonna do now.

House of M just left me kind of like 'eh, good, you're doing away with everyone and his brother being a mutant. yawn.'

I was a DC fan first, so for me the Identity Crisis, the four mini series, all the regular series tie ins, and now Infinite Crisis are just great and totally blowing Marvel off the shelves.

[Yellow Wolf]

I was a marvel fan first and I still think DC is destroying them

[Magna Harrier]

I'm STILL not over the "So... that's it?" feeling from House of M #8 ... I realize it's a lead-in to Decemation, but geez.... Identity Crisis was a lead-in to Infinite Crisis, but at least it felt like it capped off a bit better at the end.

[Joe Schmoe]

I'm STILL not over the "So... that's it?" feeling from House of M #8 ... I realize it's a lead-in to Decemation, but geez.... Identity Crisis was a lead-in to Infinite Crisis, but at least it felt like it capped off a bit better at the end.

Exactly what I feel.. The.. I am so empty! :lol:

[DOOM2099]

Bleh. House of Nevermind Go Buy Something Else

[Randomus]

House of M was amazing. The way Bendis handled the inevitable confrontation between Magneto and his children was really good, and really, that's what this event was all about.

[Darknesse]

I really enjoyed it. It was about time Marvel cleaned up their house of Mutants.

[Solario]

ICEMAN SPOILER! BUT A POSITIVE ONE! Everyone (I can't remember if it was on this board or not) can stop worrying about Iceman, Claremont has somehow already managed to give him his powers back in an upcoming Uncanny X-men issue.

[Seadevil]

Wow. That has to be a new Marvel record for going back on their word.

[Solario]

Yeah it's incredible. Of course I could have misinterpreted the preview, but it seems fairly obvious, that this has happened.

[Seadevil]

Just read the issue and yeah, it's true. And it makes Doktoor angry.

[Randomus]

He has his powers back, sure. But how?

Things aren't always as simple as "MARVEL IS EVIL AND LAZY."

[Seadevil]

He was threatened by some Human Militia guys, Emma said she felt something and bam, he iced up.

It not only contradicts what Quesada said about the mutants who lost their powers in M-Day being powerless for good, but it gives Marvel a loophole to bring back anyone they want until they have the same problem again.

[Randomus]

He was threatened by some Human Militia guys, Emma said she felt something and bam, he iced up.

It not only contradicts what Quesada said about the mutants who lost their powers in M-Day being powerless for good, but it gives Marvel a loophole to bring back anyone they want until they have the same problem again.
What did she feel? We don't know yet. Is it permanent? We don't know yet.

The return of his powers most likely is permanent, seeing as he's one of the original X-Men. However, it could just as easily be a fluke, an illusion, Apocalypse, power surge, space newts, Skrulls, sunspot interference.... Elton John...

Well, you get the idea.

[Meltman]

It could also be JUST Iceman, and it could have something to do with what's going on in New Excalibur for that matter...(they're being attacked by evil versions of the original 5 X-men)

[Gold Rush]

Okay, I didn't jump in when all this was being printed. Now the TPBs are out. I believe there are NINE of them. Mostly crossovers, but some explore the "new" world "Mutopia". Needless to say, I only picked up the major one; House of M.

Like several of the folks here, I am "meh" as well once it was all over. One thing that got explained to me was WHY Marvel is launching "The 198" and with House of M, I have the reason. Of course, it is not exactly explained how ALL 198 mutants snuck ONTO both the Avengers Quinjet and X-Men Blackbird to be covered by Emma's powers. Big hole there Marvel, although I ain't expecting any sort of viable explanation. I really feel it probably should've been closer to the number "98" than "198", especially that Wolverine-clone girl, which I know is not disappearing from continuity, unfortunately. I am happier with the smaller number of mutants.

The world was interesting, I'd probably like the other TPBs, but I am not THAT interested. Characterizations were nice all around. Angst was well done. Even Wolverine's lame excuse of "going through so many brainwashings so that his brain shrinked away from this one", while a lame excuse, I was willing to suspend my disbelief.

I ain't really a Wanda fan or a Pietro fan. They've really expanded her powers too much (can you say Pre-Crisis Superman) and given her too much angst. While she got a "happy" ending, it may not last long. I think Pietro is back in mutant form.

Besides "meh", I was noticing all the new interactions while I was away from the Marvel and the Mutants in particular. Scott and Emma. Wolverine remembering everything and repeating the same line again. Just lots of bits and pieces. Let me just say, I've always thought of Scott Summers as a jerk given certain events in comicbook past. Anyway, after reading this House of M, I was reassured as to my reasons to stop reading X-Men and mutant books in particular when I stopped reading them lo a few years ago. So, in that respect, the House of M made me content and happy. :)

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Gold Rush

[Randomus]

Not all the mutants who survived with powers intact were protected. Some just got lucky as Wanda's powers are, after all, unpredictable. "The 198", as far as I know, does not denote the exact number of remaining mutants.

Pietro is not a mutant again, but he has gained powers from the Terrigen mists in Son of M.